Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Family matters/health  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 09.10.2020, 12:26
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 851
Groaned at 129 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 924 Times in 441 Posts
DerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
That is quiet high for me to not wear a condom. Dumb people seem to be in the majority everywhere. Hope poor kid does not come into this dumb world with such dumb parents
25% over a month during a woman's fertile period. But yes, even 0.1% probability would be too much of a risk for people with an ounce of intelligence and responsibility.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank DerDieDas for this useful post:
  #22  
Old 09.10.2020, 12:41
Axa's Avatar
Axa Axa is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 4,268
Groaned at 72 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 5,969 Times in 2,812 Posts
Axa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
25% over a month during a woman's fertile period. But yes, even 0.1% probability would be too much of a risk for people with an ounce of intelligence and responsibility.
I'd use occurrence instead of risk Children are not sources of danger or harm as a wildfires, flooding or transportation accidents.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Axa for this useful post:
  #23  
Old 09.10.2020, 13:08
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,516
Groaned at 2,578 Times in 1,840 Posts
Thanked 39,650 Times in 18,688 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
Health insurance usually pays for the abortion.
But NOT contraception (pills, IUD, etc.), nor the day-after pill.

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 09.10.2020, 13:29
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Nyon
Posts: 6,592
Groaned at 390 Times in 286 Posts
Thanked 9,183 Times in 4,292 Posts
bowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond reputebowlie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
But NOT contraception (pills, IUD, etc.), nor the day-after pill.

Tom
But they paid for my vasectomy ...
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 09.10.2020, 13:30
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,516
Groaned at 2,578 Times in 1,840 Posts
Thanked 39,650 Times in 18,688 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
But they paid for my vasectomy ...
Non mine.

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 09.10.2020, 14:58
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 851
Groaned at 129 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 924 Times in 441 Posts
DerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
Non mine.

Tom
You should contact your provider and ask why?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 09.10.2020, 15:01
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 851
Groaned at 129 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 924 Times in 441 Posts
DerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
But NOT contraception (pills, IUD, etc.), nor the day-after pill.

Tom
i didn't know about this actually. Coppletely wrong in my opinion to pay for abortions unless they are a medical necessity but I am sure I am in the minority.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank DerDieDas for this useful post:
  #28  
Old 09.10.2020, 15:10
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
Also, it's worth considering that the female oral contraceptive is usually quite reliable so emotional outbursts like "I hope the pill works" are exactly that (as it's not suggesting she stopped taking it).
I think they were talking about the morning after pill
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #29  
Old 09.10.2020, 15:13
Jeep Life's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: French Part of CH
Posts: 342
Groaned at 6 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 363 Times in 186 Posts
Jeep Life has earned the respect of manyJeep Life has earned the respect of manyJeep Life has earned the respect of many
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
My friend recently slept with a girl who he had known for a while. They had unprotected sex, and the girl told him that she is going to take the pill. Later they had a small argument and the girl told him "Let's hope that the pill did work". My friend is worried whether he would be forced to pay for child support if the girl indeed gets pregnant and decides to keep the child. He is a student and has no means to pay for child support. Could someone direct me to the laws concerning this?

Thank you.
Jeez, who's responsibility does your friend think it is?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Jeep Life for this useful post:
  #30  
Old 09.10.2020, 16:11
litespeed's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Dietikon ZH
Posts: 2,291
Groaned at 22 Times in 19 Posts
Thanked 3,378 Times in 1,069 Posts
litespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

I've always enjoyed this quote:

Quote:
Giving someone your sperm is like giving someone 5 bucks....you can't really ask for it back
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank litespeed for this useful post:
  #31  
Old 09.10.2020, 16:20
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: wallisellen
Posts: 221
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 315 Times in 110 Posts
irish_marmot has earned the respect of manyirish_marmot has earned the respect of manyirish_marmot has earned the respect of many
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
My friend recently slept with a girl who he had known for a while. They had unprotected sex, and the girl told him that she is going to take the pill. Later they had a small argument and the girl told him "Let's hope that the pill did work". My friend is worried whether he would be forced to pay for child support if the girl indeed gets pregnant and decides to keep the child. He is a student and has no means to pay for child support. Could someone direct me to the laws concerning this?

Thank you.

I hope for the sake of all the parties it works out ok. Maybe just one thing you could say to him. He has control over birth control. It is that simple, put a condom on. Even if she is on the pill. Lots of things can go wrong with the pill - jet lag, a hangover, the flu, a bad shock, her hormones, forgetfulness - are just a few examples that can go wrong but there are many. So if this isn't someone he wants to share a life and a kid with, he should wear protection regardless of whether she is taking the pill. Also - to state the obvious - the pill does not protect from STDs which either of them could have been previously exposed to. Wear a condom.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank irish_marmot for this useful post:
  #32  
Old 09.10.2020, 16:27
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Basle
Posts: 2,907
Groaned at 76 Times in 60 Posts
Thanked 2,025 Times in 1,178 Posts
Landers has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
Also, it's worth considering that the female oral contraceptive is usually quite reliable

Usually quite reliable are probably not so reassuring words
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 09.10.2020, 16:29
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Basle
Posts: 2,907
Groaned at 76 Times in 60 Posts
Thanked 2,025 Times in 1,178 Posts
Landers has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond reputeLanders has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
25% over a month during a woman's fertile period. But yes, even 0.1% probability would be too much of a risk for people with an ounce of intelligence and responsibility.

What do you think the overall success rate of using a condom is?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Landers for this useful post:
  #34  
Old 09.10.2020, 16:45
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: wallisellen
Posts: 221
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 315 Times in 110 Posts
irish_marmot has earned the respect of manyirish_marmot has earned the respect of manyirish_marmot has earned the respect of many
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
25% over a month during a woman's fertile period. But yes, even 0.1% probability would be too much of a risk for people with an ounce of intelligence and responsibility.

I dont think the 25% statistic is right, but your 0.1% probability definitely is. An interesting piece of trivia that I didnt know until I was trying to get pregnant ....you can actually get pregnant in a 5 day window around the act itself. So you have sex on a saturday night (unprotected), you ovulate on the following tuesday, you get pregnant on the tuesday. The conception can be minutes after you have sex or days after. So you arent reliant on teh pill working there and then but also in the following days. Fertility is super complex (& wonderful) but relying on the pill alone is not enough.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank irish_marmot for this useful post:
  #35  
Old 09.10.2020, 16:55
Axa's Avatar
Axa Axa is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 4,268
Groaned at 72 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 5,969 Times in 2,812 Posts
Axa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond reputeAxa has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
What do you think the overall success rate of using a condom is?

Higher than zero As usual, don't kill the good in the name of perfect

Last edited by Axa; 09.10.2020 at 17:07.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Axa for this useful post:
  #36  
Old 09.10.2020, 17:09
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 851
Groaned at 129 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 924 Times in 441 Posts
DerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
What do you think the overall success rate of using a condom is?
Much higher than not using one and hoping the woman did not forget to take her pill!
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 09.10.2020, 17:24
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 851
Groaned at 129 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 924 Times in 441 Posts
DerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
I dont think the 25% statistic is right.
It is actually very much right.

https://www.todaysparent.com/getting...nt-each-month/

According to Yolanda Kirkham, an OB-GYN at Women’s College Hospital and St. Joseph’s Health Centre in Toronto, your chances of conceiving each cycle you try are 25 to 30 percent if you’re under 35, eight to 15 percent if you’re 35 to 39, five percent if you’re 40 to 42 and one to two percent at age 43.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank DerDieDas for this useful post:
  #38  
Old 09.10.2020, 17:25
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 1,467
Groaned at 115 Times in 75 Posts
Thanked 1,624 Times in 911 Posts
yacek has a reputation beyond reputeyacek has a reputation beyond reputeyacek has a reputation beyond reputeyacek has a reputation beyond reputeyacek has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
I dont think the 25% statistic is right, but your 0.1% probability definitely is. An interesting piece of trivia that I didnt know until I was trying to get pregnant ....you can actually get pregnant in a 5 day window around the act itself. So you have sex on a saturday night (unprotected), you ovulate on the following tuesday, you get pregnant on the tuesday. The conception can be minutes after you have sex or days after. So you arent reliant on teh pill working there and then but also in the following days. Fertility is super complex (& wonderful) but relying on the pill alone is not enough.
This is a common knowledge among the natural family planning practicioners.
I was clueless about the ignorance of basic human body plumbing among the condom & pill users. Thank's for a reality check.
NHS: Natural family planning (fertility awareness)
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 09.10.2020, 17:29
Ato Ato is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: ZH
Posts: 1,886
Groaned at 26 Times in 26 Posts
Thanked 3,634 Times in 1,477 Posts
Ato has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
It is actually very much right.

https://www.todaysparent.com/getting...nt-each-month/

According to Yolanda Kirkham, an OB-GYN at Women’s College Hospital and St. Joseph’s Health Centre in Toronto, your chances of conceiving each cycle you try are 25 to 30 percent if you’re under 35, eight to 15 percent if you’re 35 to 39, five percent if you’re 40 to 42 and one to two percent at age 43.
Is there a difference between trying to get pregnant in a cycle and having one potential event in the cycle whilst also sporadically taking the pill?
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 09.10.2020, 17:46
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 851
Groaned at 129 Times in 67 Posts
Thanked 924 Times in 441 Posts
DerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond reputeDerDieDas has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unwanted pregnancy and child support

Quote:
View Post
Is there a difference between trying to get pregnant in a cycle and having one potential event in the cycle whilst also sporadically taking the pill?
I am not an fertility expert
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
child support, pregancy




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
pregnancy support Shokooh Family matters/health 4 12.08.2014 10:40
Child support if child doing apprenticeship AnnaBella2013 Family matters/health 4 17.08.2013 20:05
initiating child support proceedings in Switzerland; child US citizen Freud Family matters/health 7 04.06.2012 21:23
Child support Selis Family matters/health 41 25.10.2010 08:30
Pregnancy/Breastfeeding Support jannewbold Family matters/health 1 19.11.2009 16:56


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 04:25.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0