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Old 15.11.2020, 22:45
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Is there really anywhere with a health system that meant you wouldn't first go to your family doctor if you're suffering from jaw and neck pain of unknown causes, like this? I find it hard to imagine, TBH.
In many countries people go straight to the hospitals. Totally normal to them - very, very difficult to get them off that habit here.
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Re: Regarding Neck and Jaw Pain

Hi, Manish--

I would echo the advice to go to your GP and see what they would recommend. I had back/neck pain problems earlier and got referred to the physio (in the same office as my doctor), which was super helpful! Also, if you have supplementary insurance, check to see if they cover alternative therapies and massages. I would recommend getting a medical massage, which works especially well for short-term relief (whereas the physio stuff worked better for long term care and maintenance).

If you don't have supplementary insurance but do think massages would be helpful, I'd recommend getting a plan with generous coverage! Could be worth it!

Good luck, and I hope you feel better soon!
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Most important. I never understand why so many posters here (usually first-timers, to be fair) start out by asking where they can find a doctor for x, or a specific drug for y, rather than simply going to their own doctor first.
I have no idea either. But it seems to me that, had they known, they wouldn't have asked here...(I mean at least I hoped people don't derive pleasure from trolling about their back and neck pains) Like others have said, maybe not everyone is accustomed with the family doctor/medicine system. It is the same system as here where I come from, but some people would still prefer to go straight to the specialist. Anyways, I thought we were being nice and OP was genuinely confused.
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Just to point out that this practice is a pseudoscientific complementary alternative therapy, with no conclusive evidence of the effectiveness. Although to be fair, there's a small amount of evidence that it and osteopathy can be useful for certain types of back pain. Do check out the risks regardless - certain treatments do carry some nasty risks.

This one has even less scientific basis, and less evidence of any effectivity at all. But if you like homeopathy, you'll love it. Nice head massage.
@RTN - just wondering, what did you object to? Do believe there is scientific evidence that either therapies actually work?
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Re: Regarding Neck and Jaw Pain

Personally, I have much respect for some alternative therapies, and none for others. Currently studying for certification in acupressure, same as acupuncture but working on finger/hand pressure rather than needles. OH practised acupuncture as part of his GP work, with great success.


However, if someone has heart issues requiring stents or a by-pass- which can manifest itself as jaw and neck ache- I would not recommend either.
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Hi All,

I am looking for a doctor who can treat Neck and upper Back pain . Also I have a case of TMJ ( Jaw Pain ) . Are there any doctors or a website which i can search for the same. What should be the search keywords in german ?.
No particular vocabulary I'm aware of WRT to your type of pain - "NackenSchmerzen", "RückenSchmerzen", combined with "chronisch" (cronical) if applicable.

The previous posters are correct, generally speaking, that you should consult with your family doctor. The idea is to get a professional assessment, and a diagnosis, and educated advice on how to proceed. However you seem to have a diagnosis already, which makes it a different case. Reading up a bit on TMJ ("Craniomandibuläre Dysfunktion" in German, an umbrella term for a full host of issues) it seems an encompassing approch is recommended, so personally I'd consult with a hospital subject to your health insurance plan allowing. They can also tell you if the pain is related to your TMJ (if you don't know already) in which case they reccomend a combined approach and will be happy to recommend a specialist "PhysioTherapeut" with the necessary knowledge. If I was in Zürich city the university hospital would be my choice.

So, long story short:
- consult with your health insurance if your plan requires, informing them (if applicable) that you already have a diagnosis and take it from there
- otherwise, and this is based on the assumption that you already have a proper diagnosis for the TMJ, I'd contact a hospital or similar directly, have them check me and deal with the rest including advise how to deal with your pain
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Old 16.11.2020, 20:25
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In many countries people go straight to the hospitals. Totally normal to them - very, very difficult to get them off that habit here.
It seems less difficult now.
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@RTN - just wondering, what did you object to? Do believe there is scientific evidence that either therapies actually work?
No in a lot of cases there is no scientific evidence that alternative theories work but that is not to say that they can't help people just not all the people all the time. For me personally Cranio, Physios and chiropractors don't work but Acupuncture and Osteopathy does so go figure! But I have seen some good results from Cranio so that is why I said for the OP to investigate it themselves rather than a blatant 'do this '.

So the groan was for throwing a challenge at me which I have no chance of winning, 70% of my groaned at posts are about Cranio.
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Re: Regarding Neck and Jaw Pain

You may want to look into biofeedback and electrical stimulations. (not shock Therapy) The electrical stims can be TMS, TCDS or Pemf(pulsed electromagnetic frequency). Try unique therapy in Zurich.

TMJ and bruxism is often caused by anxiety and tension.

gut-intestinal issues will cause jaw clenching reflex. TMJ disorders affect six main energy meridians as they travel near or through the jaw. These meridians are the stomach, small intestine, adrenal gland, gall bladder, large intestine and bladder. As you can see, these meridians relate to digestive functions.
So getting GI tract corrected is first line from our perspective: inflammation, proper gall bladder function (alkalizes acid environment and when not working causes intestinal inflammation-mucous) as a result and can lead to IBS and others. DIgestive enzymes, checking to see if there is Hcl problem, probiitics and VERY often there are parasites of bad growth of bacteria.
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Re: Regarding Neck and Jaw Pain

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Most important. I never understand why so many posters here (usually first-timers, to be fair) start out by asking where they can find a doctor for x, or a specific drug for y, rather than simply going to their own doctor first.

Regardless of whether you need to do so for the insurance to pay (and if you have supplemental you may not need to) it seems obvious to me that the best place to ask about a specific medical issue is a medical professional rather than a group of strangers on an internet forum.
Apart from the answers above of not knowing an "own doctor" yet, there's also another way of viewing the costs.

In some countries, medical insurance, if one has it at all, gets "used up", so each doctor's appointment can take out a chunk of one's maximum limit (which one might still need, later). Within that paradigm, first going to a general practitioner or to the wrong kind of specialist can seem like a circuitous route incurring unnecessary extra costs. In that sense, getting to the right doctor straight away makes more sense (at least financially).

In Switzerland we are blessed that this is not the case.
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No in a lot of cases there is no scientific evidence that alternative theories work but that is not to say that they can't help people just not all the people all the time. For me personally Cranio, Physios and chiropractors don't work but Acupuncture and Osteopathy does so go figure! But I have seen some good results from Cranio so that is why I said for the OP to investigate it themselves rather than a blatant 'do this '.

So the groan was for throwing a challenge at me which I have no chance of winning, 70% of my groaned at posts are about Cranio.
Chiropractic treatment is low risk, but not risk free: https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-pro...t/pac-20393513

Thank you for your explanation. Unlike chiropraxy and osteopathy where there is some scientific credence to treating neck pain, and accupuncture which is of proven use for certain types of pain treatment. So long as they don't make other claims, no problem. But cranio really is woo of the homeopathy/reflexology kind. Plenty of people may insist they've had good results, but there is no scientific credibility to it.
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Re: Regarding Neck and Jaw Pain

The following have been helpful:

- Ayurvedic massage of the neck and shoulder area
- Acupuncture for facial pain
- Using Ayurvedic medicated nasal oils (helps better breathing during sleep and lubricates the cavity)
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Most important. I never understand why so many posters here (usually first-timers, to be fair) start out by asking where they can find a doctor for x, or a specific drug for y, rather than simply going to their own doctor first.

it seems obvious to me that the best place to ask about a specific medical issue is a medical professional rather than a group of strangers on an internet forum.



The reason is because people want to be pro active and very involved in their health and not just hand over their body to their gp as the expert.

It is a very wise thing to check out your options and collect information on your own and get opinions from other people.

When you peel back the layer, you'll find GPs have a whole host of their own reasons they send you a particular place and you could be well served by knowing more about a fuller range of options.

For example, a GP could easily just quickly send you to his general physio buddy out of his own convenience and not mention (or often they don't even know until you bring it up) that there is a whole specialist center specializing more comprehensively in just that thing in the region.

Also, you may just want to simply go direct yourself to get a second opinion, which is entirely possible under basic insurance.

There can be a huge difference in doctors and sometimes hunting around for the right doctor for you can make a huge difference.

Also, appointment times keep getting shorter and shorter. The further a persons knowledge is down the road going into an appointment, they further down the line you can be set up for solving the problem.

I often wish EF had a more supportive tone. I find it strange when someone wants to hear other's thoughts just to open their mind and futher develop their thinking and they are met with "Why are you posting this?"


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