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Yes, definitely 135 58.19%
Not sure. Let's wait and see 33 14.22%
No way. I don't need it 15 6.47%
What vaccine? 1 0.43%
Probably - but not straight away 38 16.38%
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Question 1 - do you believe any Governement can make a jab compulsory. Somehow I do think there would be riots if the Swiss Government tried.


As for Insurance Ace1, I imagine it woule be free and not part of franchise, at least for at risk groups. And certainly if they made it compulsory (which, as said above, I don't really think they could make this law).
I don’t believe it will be free, that’s not how the health system works in CH. Why would the taxpayer pick up the tab? They don’t pay for those fees in hospital
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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

Some treatments are free and do not affect Franchise- because they are of public interest and safety. So it will probably not be free for some groups, but free for the priority at risk groups.


For instance mamographies and colon cancer screening.
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I donít believe it will be free, thatís not how the health system works in CH. Why would the taxpayer pick up the tab? They donít pay for those fees in hospital
Because it's about protecting the society, not the individual.
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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

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The logistics of distributing a vaccine which needs to be kept in dry ice at -109įF (-78įC) is mind boggling. You also need to have the vaccine twice several weeks apart for it to be effective. I wouldn't get your hopes up just yet...
https://de.reuters.com/article/us-he...-idUSKBN27P2VI

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They can be kept in an ultra-low temperature freezer for up to six months, or for five days at 2-8 degrees C – a type of refrigeration commonly available at hospitals, Bencker said.

The Pfizer storage units can also be refilled with ice for up to 15 days, she said.
It's possible to deliver it from Germany to Switzerland and use it right away in less than 5 days.
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Old 11.11.2020, 23:05
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I donít believe it will be free, thatís not how the health system works in CH. Why would the taxpayer pick up the tab? They donít pay for those fees in hospital
Flu vaccine is free to risk groups. This will be at least the same, probably free to all imo.
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I donít believe it will be free, thatís not how the health system works in CH. Why would the taxpayer pick up the tab? They donít pay for those fees in hospital

Because it's cheaper to pay for 1000 vaccines that 2 week ICU stay.
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Will you get the jab if its not compulsory? And if it is compulsory?
No. At least not at first. I will let others be guinea pigs and rely on herd immunity.
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Flu vaccine is free to risk groups. This will be at least the same, probably free to all imo.
Itís reimbursed by the basic insurance (as long as the franchise has been reached) so not exactly free but as good as for most people.
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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

All your questions answered.

https://worldradio.ch/news/2020/11/1...s-vaccination/

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At a press conference yesterday the health minister Alain Berset says the military will assist on the cold-chain supply.

The regulator, Swissmedic, is currently testing two vaccines Ė the one from Pfizer which claims a 90% effectiveness as well as another being developed by the US firm Ė Moderna.

The Federal Health Office says the government has signed deals with both companies.

In the meantime, Berset says the situation is improving and the pressure on the medical services is lessening. He says the R number which measures infection rates is still above 1 Ė but is coming down. It needs to be around point 7. The health minister says he canít predict when that target will be hit.

Berset also says when a vaccine is available, it will not be compulsory.
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Will you get the jab if its not compulsory? And if it is compulsory?

And who will pay-the Health Insurance?

Its 90% successfull so what happens to the other 10%?
Yes, without hesitation. The side effects have been rare and mild in the clinical trials so far, and I'm just ready to be done with corona virus.

I assume health insurance and/or gov't will pay.

The other 10% just don't generate antibodies in significant amounts and are still susceptible to infection, but if 90% of the population has the antibodies, it makes it very hard for the virus to continue to circulate.

For reference, the Measles vaccine is has about 95% efficacy (depending on if you get one or two doses) while the seasonal flu vaccines have anywhere from 30% - 70% efficacy, depending on the year. Measles (where people get vaccinated) is all but unknown, and people get the flu every year, but we don't have regular flu pandemics anymore.
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completely agree.
it is a big problem that vaccine from Pfizer needs -80įC storage. this will complicate vaccination with it. how many local medical practices have capacity for this type of the storage?
Read the reports. First it will come in special containers - no bigger than a small fridge - packed in dry ice. Secondly, it can be kept for at least a day in a normal fridge, but some testing suggests up to six days.

There are already ultracold logistical paths in use. They do need to be ramped up. Some manufacturers of the devices needed started increasing production months ago.

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I donít believe it will be free
Why not. If you have symptoms or are referred by a doctor the covid-19 test is free.

Have a test if this is recommended by the coronavirus check or your doctors. Provided the FOPHís criteria for testing are met, the costs of the test will be paid by the federal government.
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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

While I have my concerns at the rapid approval, I will most definitely take it and would pay good money for it if I have to.
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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

1. Yes of course I will take it

2. I will pay

3. 90% effectiveness in a vaccine is actually more than sufficiently effective. Nothing happens to the other 10%. The pandemic ends and we go back to normal.

4. Jesus Christ.
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I don’t believe it will be free, that’s not how the health system works in CH. Why would the taxpayer pick up the tab? They don’t pay for those fees in hospital
TBF this is something of an unprecedented situation.

If my baby daughters injections are anything to go by - getting immunized would cost several hundred francs in Switzerland. A lot of poorer and/or young people will just say "no thanks" at that price (whilst being willing to accept a free vaccine) and who could blame them. The benefit would mostly be felt by older people protected by herd immunity.

With this in mind, I'd be surprised if it wasn't totally free. Given the money spent on lockdowns etc. this is small beer - and would obviously be effective in increasing uptake, which is crucial. It'd be a good use of public money subsidizing the vaccine in my view.

Personally - I would still pay for it if I have to.

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Will you get the jab if its not compulsory?
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And if it is compulsory?
Unlikely.
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Some treatments are free and do not affect Franchise- because they are of public interest and safety. So it will probably not be free for some groups, but free for the priority at risk groups.


For instance mamographies and colon cancer screening.
I know where you are coming from - but that's a very bad look politically. If young people have been locked down etc., losing their jobs to protect the elderly, then denying them a benefit offered to the elderly will go down very poorly.

It's probably also bad science given that herd immunity is likely to be around 75-80%, and that the most elderly are likely to be the worst responders to a vaccine - so may need protecting by herd immunity.

There are a lot of anti-vaxxers around, and people who are just being a bit cautious with this particular vaccine given the speed. We will need everyone who is willing and able to take it to take it.

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The boss of Swiss Pharma giant Roche has indicated his support for compulsory vaccination in Switzerland. The Swiss government has said on a number of occasions that any vaccine will be voluntary.
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I know where you are coming from - but that's a very bad look politically. If young people have been locked down etc., losing their jobs to protect the elderly, then denying them a benefit offered to the elderly will go down very poorly.
If the elderly are protected though, the young can enjoy their life again.

But I get it - Iím 39 & at risk, and have risked my career & limited my life severely since March. Iíd be pretty peeved if an 85 year old who normally stays at home anyway got a vaccine before I could.
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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

We still don't know long term/permanent effects of covid infection, its still too early to tell (my mind doesn't comprehend this but apparently that's how proper medical research seems to work). It has negative effects on various parts of body, ie heart muscle, male reproductive organs, obviously lungs etc. Small children in extreme cases can end up with Kawasaki syndrome even after asymptomatic infection.

What I want to say - there is no safe age group. Some people are a mess even months after primary infection is gone (ie I have 2 quite fit friends in 30s who had it and even after 2-3 months they struggle walking up few stairs, these kind of things are pretty widely reported).

So if elderly are protected, so should the rest. Fertility is anyway getting worse every year due to pollution and poor lifestyle choices, the last thing we need is semi-infertile male generation.
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Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

After a lively discussion with some Swiss tonight, I realized the Covid vaccination will spark many issues:

1) Vaccination mandatory or not?
2) Should hospitals and nursing homes requires all patients and staff to be vaccinated?
3) How will insurance premiums change for those who don't vaccinate?
4) Will proof of vaccination be required to travel?

Even the Swiss don't agree on this issue. What say you?
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