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Yes, definitely 135 58.19%
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Old 23.12.2020, 10:37
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

First person in Switzerland vaccinated! A 90 year old in canton Luzern

https://www.20min.ch/story/die-erste...t-713887593331
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Old 23.12.2020, 10:41
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

So the vaccine(s) are to be received in two doses / shots, three weeks apart, right? I assume this means that someone doesn't actually have immunity until they receive that second shot?

The reason I ask, for clarification, is because I saw in the news yesterday that an elderly gentleman in the UK had just received his first shot and then it showed him walking around without a mask, doing interviews, etc., behaving as though he believes that he is already immune.
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Old 23.12.2020, 10:43
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First person in Switzerland vaccinated! A 90 year old in canton Luzern

https://www.20min.ch/story/die-erste...t-713887593331
There will come a point where more 90 year olds who have ben vaccinated will have died, than actually died of COVID, probably before the vaccine has been fully rolled out.
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Old 23.12.2020, 10:46
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So the vaccine(s) are to be received in two doses / shots, three weeks apart, right? I assume this means that someone doesn't actually have immunity until they receive that second shot?

The reason I ask, for clarification, is because I saw in the news yesterday that an elderly gentleman in the UK had just received his first shot and then it showed him walking around without a mask, doing interviews, etc., behaving as though he believes that he is already immune.
Probably like people who have antibodies think they are immune, I suspect their immunity is similar to the vaccine of 95%, we know their reinfections but in low no's.
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Probably like people who have antibodies think they are immune, I suspect their immunity is similar to the vaccine of 95%, we know their reinfections but in low no's.
The vaccine is said to trick the body to produce the same antibodies as the actual Covid infection. I guess that if anyone is infected with Covid twice then the immunity is similar to 2 vaccine shots?
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Old 23.12.2020, 11:00
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Probably like people who have antibodies think they are immune, I suspect their immunity is similar to the vaccine of 95%, we know their reinfections but in low no's.
Okay, I just looked it up and found the following, in regard to how long it takes for someone to develop immunity after receiving the vaccine doses.

"Dr. Sara Lund, an infectious disease physician at St. Luke's hospital in Duluth who was vaccinated on Friday, said it will generally take two weeks following the second dose for people to gain immunity."
Source: https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/ne...ng-the-vaccine

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"Both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines include a two-shot regimen. Pfizer's second dose is given 21 days after the first, while Moderna's second dose of the vaccine is given 28 days after the initial shot. For the Pfizer vaccine, immunity isn't achieved until at least seven days after the second dose.

To rev up your body’s immune system, two doses are often required. “The first time primes your body [to the virus]," Lang says. "The second time tells the body that we’re serious about this and you really need to make immunity to it."
Source: https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid...y-time-5091651

So why that elderly man was walking around without a mask, etc. and acting as though he was instantly immune after receiving his first dose of the vaccine is beyond me.
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Old 23.12.2020, 11:28
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So why that elderly man was walking around without a mask, etc. and acting as though he was instantly immune after receiving his first dose of the vaccine is beyond me.
Because he is English. It's what we do - like falling off mountains and so on...
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

The risk / reward seems to be positive
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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

100% getting on a plane knowing that everyone had had the vaccine,
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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

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It's possible to deliver it from Germany to Switzerland and use it right away in less than 5 days.
We are actually producing the vaccine for the whole Europe in Visp, the Moderna's one. Which, by the way, requires only -20 for long-term storage. So, I have no doubt's in availability and logistics for CH. Even though, federal govt only reserved 8M doses from Moderna/Lonza (4M people) .
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Old 26.12.2020, 18:28
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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

Swiss is flying wide-bobies (A330; B777) on the Zurich-Brussels route on Fridays for the next few weeks. It gives them extra lift for the incoming vaccines.
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Old 26.12.2020, 18:33
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Airlines will be doing anything to get customers......... not restricting access to a service very few want to use.
It will either be a certificate of vaccination or a recent PCR test at both ends. I can see that getting quite wearing and expensive for frequent travellers so many will opt for the easier option.
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Old 26.12.2020, 18:54
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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

1. Yes, really need it for myself and for my wife to be able to visit the tomb of her dad, who died from Covid recently.
2. IDC, the price is negligible compared to losses of not having it.
3. Remaining 10% may or may not get infected, may or may not suffer from the disease or experience death, may or may not get vaccinated again. The same, as if they wouldn't get vaccinated, but 90% less in total population.

Also, it seems like there is no need in compulsory vaccination, but it may be a reasonable idea to limit an access to some non-essential services (like airports, restaurants, sports or concerts) to people without vaccination or otherwise obtained immunity, when such vaccine will be publicly available and if it will be free.

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Re: Covid 19 vaccine arriving

We have known for some time that in Switzerland the recipient of the vaccine will not pay. It is the Confederation, the Cantons and Health Insurance companies that will cover the costs. Also regardless of franchise and co-pay(if any) waived. So don’t be surprised when they ask you for your medical insurance card, they need to know which insurance company to bill.

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We have known for some time that in Switzerland the recipient of the vaccine will not pay. It is the Confederation, the Communes and Health Insurance companies that will cover the costs. Also regardless of franchise and co-pay(if any) waived. So dont be surprised when they ask you for your medical insurance card, they need to know which insurance company to bill.
This is an oversimplification, in CH almost everybody will pay for their vaccination via a higher premium next year. Basic insurance is not a 'profit centre' & premiums will be adjusted to cover costs.
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This is an oversimplification, in CH almost everybody will pay for their vaccination via a higher premium next year. Basic insurance is not a 'profit centre' & premiums will be adjusted to cover costs.
Health Insurance costs will always go up regardless of the actual situation. It's a law of the universe, stronger than gravity; supply&demand.
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Old 27.12.2020, 10:59
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Its not that expensive, we're talking $20 a dose for the Pfizer one and with economies of scale i.e. having mass vaccination centres, the cost of storage and staff should be minimal.
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Its not that expensive, we're talking $20 a dose for the Pfizer one and with economies of scale i.e. having mass vaccination centres, the cost of storage and staff should be minimal.
More than double once a qualified Swiss person has stuck a needle in you, plus admin costs, it would be cheaper if people paid directly.......
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Old 27.12.2020, 11:08
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This is an oversimplification, in CH almost everybody will pay for their vaccination via a higher premium next year. Basic insurance is not a 'profit centre' & premiums will be adjusted to cover costs.
Likely. But there is no additional cost if you want the vaccine vs. not getting it but still paying a potentially higher rate.
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More than double once a qualified Swiss person has stuck a needle in you, plus admin costs, it would be cheaper if people paid directly.......
I certainly would but making it free increases take-up since it removes another barrier. I think it even make sense for the government to foot the bill as it will be a fraction of the money paid for furlough schemes and the general hit to the economy.
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