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Yes, definitely 135 58.19%
Not sure. Let's wait and see 33 14.22%
No way. I don't need it 15 6.47%
What vaccine? 1 0.43%
Probably - but not straight away 38 16.38%
Only if they make me 10 4.31%
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Old 27.12.2020, 11:15
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I certainly would but making it free increases take-up since it removes another barrier. I think it even make sense for the government to foot the bill as it will be a fraction of the money paid for furlough schemes and the general hit to the economy.
It will be interesting to see what the take up is overall, less than 50% of French want to take it.
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Old 27.12.2020, 11:18
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It will be interesting to see what the take up is overall, less than 50% of French want to take it.
Public opinion is fickle, once people see that their neighbours aren't dropping dead or turning into 5G controlled zombies they will probably roll up their sleeves. And if airlines, theatres etc.. start insisting on certificates or recent tests then it should encourage people even further.
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Public opinion is fickle
People are also generally medically and scientifically ignorant and social media has only made general levels of knee-jerk hysteria worse.
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People are also generally medically and scientifically ignorant...
Yes. There is a lot of judgemental stuff going on social media.

As per vax, I think people's attitude will change once employers start discretely stipulating. Or not so discretely.
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Old 27.12.2020, 11:38
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More than double once a qualified Swiss person has stuck a needle in you, plus admin costs, it would be cheaper if people paid directly.......
The additional fee for the practice assistant to administer a vaccine at our GP is around 7chf, it’s really not very expensive.
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Old 27.12.2020, 11:41
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Public opinion is fickle, once people see that their neighbours aren't dropping dead or turning into 5G controlled zombies they will probably roll up their sleeves. And if airlines, theatres etc.. start insisting on certificates or recent tests then it should encourage people even further.
The problem is they have not seen their neighbours dropping dead of Corona either.
I suspect Airlines will not stipulate anything, the last 4 flights I took were only 10% full... How may flights have you taken since July?
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The additional fee for the practice assistant to administer a vaccine at our GP is around 7chf, it’s really not very expensive.
I wonder what the mark up will be on the vaccine 100% or more like all other medicines.

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Old 27.12.2020, 11:44
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The problem is they have not seen their neighbours dropping dead of Corona either.
I suspect Airlines will not stipulate anything, the last 4 flights I took were only 10% full... How may flights have you taken since July?
The few flights I was on were packed. And that despite quarantining for 10 days and electronic registration which is now required in Germany.
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Yes. There is a lot of judgemental stuff going on social media.

As per vax, I think people's attitude will change once employers start discretely stipulating. Or not so discretely.
I think the vax will remain non compulsory, but that not 'just' the employers will make it so if you want to avail yourself of their services. Airlines, for sure, but lots of different services too.
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The problem is they have not seen their neighbours dropping dead of Corona either.
I suspect Airlines will not stipulate anything, the last 4 flights I took were only 10% full..
To the UK? People might not be exactly rushing there at this moment.
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I suspect Airlines will not stipulate anything, the last 4 flights I took were only 10% full... How may flights have you taken since July?
London in late August and Turkey in October and the flights were about 75% full
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Old 27.12.2020, 12:03
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Its worth keeping an eye on the vaccination data, as of yesterday almost 5 million people worldwide have received a dose and sometime next year that number will be pushing a billion. We will also soon have almost a year of long term safety data from the early clinical trial patients. So if in the face of overwhelming efficacy and safety data people still wish to decline their right to be immunised, then there is no helping them.

The only thing that concerns me about the vaccines is longevity of protection, not safety.
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Old 27.12.2020, 12:32
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The vaccine is said to trick the body to produce the same antibodies as the actual Covid infection.
That is how ALL vaccines work.

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Its worth keeping an eye on the vaccination data, as of yesterday almost 5 million people worldwide have received a dose and sometime next year that number will be pushing a billion. We will also soon have almost a year of long term safety data from the early clinical trial patients. So if in the face of overwhelming efficacy and safety data people still wish to decline their right to be immunised, then there is no helping them.

The only thing that concerns me about the vaccines is longevity of protection, not safety.
To my knowledge, nobody has a right to be immunised. I believe you are conflating rights with privileges. Privileges can be taken away, rights cannot. I actually find the way you’ve framed it somewhat terrifying as the correct statement would be that people have the right not to be immunised, based on bodily sovereignty.
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The only thing that concerns me about the vaccines is longevity of protection, not safety.
And whether those vaccinated can still pass it on.

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And whether those vaccinated can still pass it on.

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That's a good point. The modelling data still shows a decent benefit even if the vaccine doesn't stop the spread

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A vaccine that reduces a vaccinated person’s symptoms but doesn’t stop them from transmitting a possible infection would prevent roughly 40% of infections and 60% of deaths during the vaccine roll out period, the Hutch models show. If the vaccine has both effects, though, it could prevent 70% of infections and 70% of deaths.

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That's a good point. The modelling data still shows a decent benefit even if the vaccine doesn't stop the spread
The article reads like an ad for Moderna and Pfizer.

If people can put their critical thinking hats on for a moment and consider the below quote from the article:

Even if the vaccine converted all symptomatic infections to asymptomatic infections, there still could be some reduced transmission.

Now this claim states if then could making it tenuous at best. This aside, on what basis can such a claim be made? Is one to deduce that the purported forthcoming asymptomatic infections in vaccinated people differ in kind than the asymptomatic infections in non-vaccinated people and somehow less prone to transmission?

It sounds like magical thinking to me.
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Even if the vaccine converted all symptomatic infections to asymptomatic infections, there still could be some reduced transmission.

Now this claim states if then could making it tenuous at best. This aside, on what basis can such a claim be made? Is one to deduce that the purported forthcoming asymptomatic infections in vaccinated people differ in kind than the asymptomatic infections in non-vaccinated people and somehow less prone to transmission?

It sounds like magical thinking to me.
Due to a paucity of data we simply don't know, but if nothing else they are less likely to be spreading the virus through coughing and sneezing.
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The article reads like an ad for Moderna and Pfizer.

If people can put their critical thinking hats on for a moment and consider the below quote from the article:

Even if the vaccine converted all symptomatic infections to asymptomatic infections, there still could be some reduced transmission.

Now this claim states if then could making it tenuous at best. This aside, on what basis can such a claim be made? Is one to deduce that the purported forthcoming asymptomatic infections in vaccinated people differ in kind than the asymptomatic infections in non-vaccinated people and somehow less prone to transmission?

It sounds like magical thinking to me.
I think that at this point it's safer to reasonably assume, in lieu of data confirming otherwise, that it does not stop the vaccinated person from transmitting it.

How do we solve this particular concern? Simple; everyone who is eligible and safe to do so should get the vaccine as soon as they are able to and then we all don't have to worry about transmission.
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I think that at this point it's safer to reasonably assume, in lieu of data confirming otherwise, that it does not stop the vaccinated person from transmitting it.

How do we solve this particular concern? Simple; everyone who is eligible and safe to do so should get the vaccine as soon as they are able to and then we all don't have to worry about transmission.
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I think that at this point it's safer to reasonably assume, in lieu of data confirming otherwise, that it does not stop the vaccinated person from transmitting it.

How do we solve this particular concern? Simple; everyone who is eligible and safe to do so should get the vaccine as soon as they are able to and then we all don't have to worry about transmission.
I mean this with all sincerity, the level of ignorance you've displayed in your post is off the charts.

I would implore anybody reading this to seek independent healthcare advice and to make a carefully considered decision on any prophylactic measures that they may or may not wish to take.

Specifically regarding vaccines, it is helpful to consult the Fact Sheets. As an example, below is a list of the possible symptoms of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine taken from the Fact Sheet which you should also note is an unapproved vaccine that has received authorisation for emergency use only.

• injection site pain
• tiredness
• headache
• muscle pain
• chills
• joint pain
• fever
• injection site swelling
• injection site redness
• nausea
• feeling unwell
• swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy)

In addition there is a remote chance of an allergic reaction resulting in:

• Difficulty breathing
• Swelling of your face and throat
• A fast heartbeat
• A bad rash all over your body
• Dizziness and weakness

And here is the ingredient list for those that may like to consider the the individual components:

mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.

The Fact Sheet is available from:

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download
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