It will be interesting to see what the take up is overall, less than 50% of French want to take it.

Public opinion is fickle, once people see that their neighbours aren't dropping dead or turning into 5G controlled zombies they will probably roll up their sleeves. And if airlines, theatres etc.. start insisting on certificates or recent tests then it should encourage people even further.

People are also generally medically and scientifically ignorant and social media has only made general levels of knee-jerk hysteria worse.

Yes. There is a lot of judgemental stuff going on social media.

As per vax, I think people's attitude will change once employers start discretely stipulating. Or not so discretely.

The additional fee for the practice assistant to administer a vaccine at our GP is around 7chf, it’s really not very expensive.

The problem is they have not seen their neighbours dropping dead of Corona either.
I suspect Airlines will not stipulate anything, the last 4 flights I took were only 10% full... How may flights have you taken since July?
I wonder what the mark up will be on the vaccine 100% or more like all other medicines.

The few flights I was on were packed. And that despite quarantining for 10 days and electronic registration which is now required in Germany.

I think the vax will remain non compulsory, but that not 'just' the employers will make it so if you want to avail yourself of their services. Airlines, for sure, but lots of different services too.

To the UK? People might not be exactly rushing there at this moment.

London in late August and Turkey in October and the flights were about 75% full

Its worth keeping an eye on the vaccination data, as of yesterday almost 5 million people worldwide have received a dose and sometime next year that number will be pushing a billion. We will also soon have almost a year of long term safety data from the early clinical trial patients. So if in the face of overwhelming efficacy and safety data people still wish to decline their right to be immunised, then there is no helping them.

The only thing that concerns me about the vaccines is longevity of protection, not safety.

That is how ALL vaccines work.

Tom

To my knowledge, nobody has a right to be immunised. I believe you are conflating rights with privileges. Privileges can be taken away, rights cannot. I actually find the way you’ve framed it somewhat terrifying as the correct statement would be that people have the right not to be immunised, based on bodily sovereignty.

And whether those vaccinated can still pass it on.

Tom

That's a good point. The modelling data still shows a decent benefit even if the vaccine doesn't stop the spread

The article reads like an ad for Moderna and Pfizer.

If people can put their critical thinking hats on for a moment and consider the below quote from the article:

Even if the vaccine converted all symptomatic infections to asymptomatic infections, there still could be some reduced transmission.

Now this claim states if then could making it tenuous at best. This aside, on what basis can such a claim be made? Is one to deduce that the purported forthcoming asymptomatic infections in vaccinated people differ in kind than the asymptomatic infections in non-vaccinated people and somehow less prone to transmission?

It sounds like magical thinking to me.

Due to a paucity of data we simply don't know, but if nothing else they are less likely to be spreading the virus through coughing and sneezing.

I think that at this point it's safer to reasonably assume, in lieu of data confirming otherwise, that it does not stop the vaccinated person from transmitting it.

How do we solve this particular concern? Simple; everyone who is eligible and safe to do so should get the vaccine as soon as they are able to and then we all don't have to worry about transmission.

I mean this with all sincerity, the level of ignorance you've displayed in your post is off the charts.

I would implore anybody reading this to seek independent healthcare advice and to make a carefully considered decision on any prophylactic measures that they may or may not wish to take.

Specifically regarding vaccines, it is helpful to consult the Fact Sheets. As an example, below is a list of the possible symptoms of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine taken from the Fact Sheet which you should also note is an unapproved vaccine that has received authorisation for emergency use only.

• injection site pain
• tiredness
• headache
• muscle pain
• chills
• joint pain
• fever
• injection site swelling
• injection site redness
• nausea
• feeling unwell
• swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy)

In addition there is a remote chance of an allergic reaction resulting in:

• Difficulty breathing
• Swelling of your face and throat
• A fast heartbeat
• A bad rash all over your body
• Dizziness and weakness

And here is the ingredient list for those that may like to consider the the individual components:

mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose.

The Fact Sheet is available from:

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download