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Yes, definitely 122 56.22%
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Thanks, I didnít have time to translate the whole article when I posted so just gave a summary of the important parts.
Since I canít read French, itís easy enough to run through deepl

I have not translated the DU pages.....


But people who know more than I - how can nano particles affect DNA? That would mean entering the nucleus and changing the DNA of dividing cells? Is this feasible? Or just nonsense?
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But people who know more than I - how can nano particles affect DNA? That would mean entering the nucleus and changing the DNA of dividing cells? Is this feasible? Or just nonsense?
The nanoparticles they are concerned about are the lipid nanoparticles used to transport the delicate mRNA into the body. You can't inject strands of naked mRNA because they are inherently unstable and would be broken down and destroyed in no time, so they are encapsulated into these greasy lipid spheres.



There are at least 8 FDA approved lipid nanoparticle therapies stretching back to 1995 (Doxil). The main issue I'm aware of are allergic reactions, those with a serious history of them should not receive the vaccine.
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There are at least 8 FDA approved lipid nanoparticle therapies stretching back to 1995 (Doxil). The main issue I'm aware of are allergic reactions, those with a serious history of them should not receive the vaccine.
Most of these are canser treatments, which have very serious side effects. Are there any approved lipid nanoparticle therapies with no serious side effects?
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Most of these are canser treatments, which have very serious side effects. Are there any approved lipid nanoparticle therapies with no serious side effects?
AmBisome is a liposomal injection used to treat fungal infections. It is given intravenously so immediately enters the blood stream unlike the vaccine which is given intramuscularly i.e. slower release and safer.

In terms of side effects, it does have potentially serious side effects which is why the doctor needs to make a value based judgement on whether to use it or standard amphotericin. This is also happening with the vaccine, certain at risk people are automatically excluded from receiving it.
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When I had paclitaxel as chemo, it was suspended in camphor or something similar. So not a liposomal, but definitely something that caused reactions. When I had my infusion, the nurse waited by me for 15-20 minutes each time. Reactions are not common, but do occur, so you always have the infusion in an area where there is medical assistance available. I think that is a similar set up for the covid vax.
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I had my vaccine three and a half hours ago and have had zero side effects up to now. My arm doesn’t ache at all which wasn’t the case after the flu jab.

We were very impressed by how things were organised here.

We had to stay under observation for at least 15 minutes after the shot in case of an allergic reaction and were given an appointment for the second dose before leaving.

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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Just wondering- as to be effective you need 2 doses. How about those who have had Covid, proven by test- could that be scientifically considered as being one of the shots? Or would you still need two: Any experts out there?
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Just wondering- as to be effective you need 2 doses. How about those who have had Covid, proven by test- could that be scientifically considered as being one of the shots? Or would you still need two: Any experts out there?
No, having Covid wouldnít count as one of the shots.

If you have had Covid you canít have the vaccine for at least three months afterwards according to our GP.
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Vaccine overdose puts German care workers in hospital

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2921F1
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I had my vaccine three and a half ago and have had zero side effects up to now. My doesnít ache at all which wasnít the case after the flu jab.

We were very impressed by how things were organised here.

We had to stay under observation for at least 15 minutes after the shot in case of an allergic reaction and were given an appointment for the second dose before leaving.
Are you sure, the first section has at least two missing words
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Vaccine overdose puts German care workers in hospital

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2921F1
Taken from the article: Germany’s COVID-19 vaccination campaign has been overshadowed by a mishap in the north where eight workers in an elderly care home received an overdose.

Vorpommern-Ruegen district authorities said the workers in Stralsund city received five times the recommended dose of the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine on Sunday. Four went to hospital for observation after developing flu-like symptoms.

“I deeply regret the incident. This individual case is due to individual errors. I hope that all those affected do not experience any serious side-effects,” district chief Stefan Kerth said in a statement.

The incident came after some German districts declined to use vaccines received over the weekend on suspicion that cold conditions were interrupted during delivery.

Vorpommern-Ruegen authorities pointed to previous statements by BioNtech saying larger doses were tested in the Phase 1 study without serious consequences. There was no immediate comment from the pharmaceutical companies.
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No, having Covid wouldnít count as one of the shots.

If you have had Covid you canít have the vaccine for at least three months afterwards according to our GP.

Wow- how interesting. I tested positive yesterday after being ill (just bad cold + loss of taste/smell) since last Tuesday.

Does anyone have a link or scientific info on this, please?
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Wow- how interesting. I tested positive yesterday after being ill (just bad cold + loss of taste/smell) since last Tuesday.

Does anyone have a link or scientific info on this, please?
I donít believe there is enough information as of yet. Surely itís a small sample of people whoíve been infected and received the vaccine. But given that no one really knows the duration of immunity after infection, itís difficult to say.

Hope your course of illness will be mild.
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so far, so good- just a bad cold. Thanks. + loss of taste and smell.
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Taken from the article: Germanyís COVID-19 vaccination campaign has been overshadowed by a mishap in the north where eight workers in an elderly care home received an overdose.

Vorpommern-Ruegen district authorities said the workers in Stralsund city received five times the recommended dose of the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine on Sunday. Four went to hospital for observation after developing flu-like symptoms.

ďI deeply regret the incident. This individual case is due to individual errors. I hope that all those affected do not experience any serious side-effects,Ē district chief Stefan Kerth said in a statement.

The incident came after some German districts declined to use vaccines received over the weekend on suspicion that cold conditions were interrupted during delivery.

Vorpommern-Ruegen authorities pointed to previous statements by BioNtech saying larger doses were tested in the Phase 1 study without serious consequences. There was no immediate comment from the pharmaceutical companies.
Ok, so human error, nothing inherently wrong with the vaccine
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Our lovely GP has just phoned to find out how I am- as she was notified I am positive. She confirmed I won't be able to have vaccine for at least 3 months after end of symptoms. She has asked for OH to be tested next week, to decide if he has vaccine or not- depending on result. He is O +.
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No, having Covid wouldn’t count as one of the shots.

If you have had Covid you can’t have the vaccine for at least three months afterwards according to our GP.
Thanks for the information! How is it checked if one had Covid? Have you been tested for the antibodies?
I was tested antibodies positive in August, not sure how and when I have contracted Covid. I wonder if some people have had symptoms-free Covid and might get vaccinated, would it be ok?
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My GP said, 3 months after Covid- so if you tested in August, you are good to go for vaccine, no?

But yes, I imagine many people who will be vaccinated have had Covid but have not been tested and will be unaware?
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Thanks for the information! How is it checked if one had Covid? Have you been tested for the antibodies?
I was tested antibodies positive in August, not sure how and when I have contracted Covid. I wonder if some people have had symptoms-free Covid and might get vaccinated, would it be ok?
Fair question, given the fact that we miss out quite a lot of cases. What is the reason for this 3-month delay rule anyway?


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I thought COVID only was supposed to have arrived in the EU / USA in March, although we know it was around at least 4 months before that. Seems unlikely a US company could have given a jab as early as March.
They recently mentioned that they can develop a new formulation in 6 weeks, if needed (new mutation or to mitigate side-effects), so yes, first jabs were made very early.
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For general interest

The organization DU is here: http://www.dieunabhaengigen.ch/

IĎve looked through this site briefly, seems to be related to the Reformed Church in BE-SO-JU. Have not looked at the site from FL.
Oh, we will see much more of this S later as vaccines will be rolled out, or as specific country-entry regulations will be tied to having/not having the shot, which will affect one's freedom to travel.

I am actually surprised that anti-vaxers' voice has been so feeble so far. In th eend, they came up with just a couple of lame Gates/5G stories.
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