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Yes, definitely 111 54.95%
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Certainly the case in the UK- where it is being administered in General Practices currently without problems.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Now that the vaccine is a reality, I am wondering what kind of certification is planned and why it hasn't already been rolled out . There is only a few weeks before folk will be going in for their second and final booster shots so they really should be getting something official for anticipated use at airports etc...

There is an internationally recognised document called a yellow card which is a requirement for entry into certain countries, but that is laughably easy to forge and may not meet the requirements of COVID-19

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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

I've read somewhere there will be vacc passports loaded into an app.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/27/t...pps/index.html
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Certainly the case in the UK- where it is being administered in General Practices currently without problems.
It depends on the type of practice, in a medical centre with several doctors and other ancillary staff and with the facilities to store it then it is possible.
The UK only started in GP practices once they’d been doing it in hospitals for a while.

There are still an awful lot of small one or two doctor practices in Switzerland with maybe a practice assistant which make it more difficult here. It takes a lot of organisation.
My GP certainly couldn’t do it and keep up with regular appointments as well.
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Old 30.12.2020, 22:26
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It depends on the type of practice, in a medical centre with several doctors and other ancillary staff and with the facilities to store it then it is possible.
The UK only started in GP practices once they’d been doing it in hospitals for a while.

There are still an awful lot of small one or two doctor practices in Switzerland with maybe a practice assistant which make it more difficult here. It takes a lot of organisation.
My GP certainly couldn’t do it and keep up with regular appointments as well.
They should maybe consider having it administered by the checkout staff at Aldi&Lidl .. We'd all be done by end of next week.
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Old 30.12.2020, 22:37
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They should maybe consider having it administered by the checkout staff at Aldi&Lidl .. We'd all be done by end of next week.
Hmmm. I think I'd still prefer the pharmacy. My local one is awesome, I felt nothing with the flu jab. It was very accupuncture-y.

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It depends on the type of practice, in a medical centre with several doctors and other ancillary staff and with the facilities to store it then it is possible.
The UK only started in GP practices once they’d been doing it in hospitals for a while.

There are still an awful lot of small one or two doctor practices in Switzerland with maybe a practice assistant which make it more difficult here. It takes a lot of organisation.
My GP certainly couldn’t do it and keep up with regular appointments as well.
At OH's old practice- they set aside full weekends just for administering Flu vaccine- they will do the same with Covid when it s their turn. They all eat there with other staff, and just plough through. But yes, group practice where all partners and registrars, nurses, used to work as a team.

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I am genuinely worried that not enough people will take the vaccine for us ever to get out of this. I think, as countries can’t force vaccination on the residents, they should all make it compulsory for tourists coming in. That’ll increase uptake. I know of someone who swore they wouldn’t get the vaccine, until they were told they might need it to go on holiday... then they were like “oh ok I’ll have it then”
I think it will be done similarly to what exists in some Asian countries - if you don't have a vax against some disease i.e., Yellow Fever, you are not allowed in the country. This will motivate even most prominent antivaxers and conspiracists to get the shot. Everyone wants to have an insta photo next to Big Ben, screw the principles.

Or perhaps this will boost the black market for fake yellow cards if they don't roll out something more reliable.

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Now that the vaccine is a reality, I am wondering what kind of certification is planned and why it hasn't already been rolled out . There is only a few weeks before folk will be going in for their second and final booster shots so they really should be getting something official for anticipated use at airports etc...

There is an internationally recognised document called a yellow card which is a requirement for entry into certain countries, but that is laughably easy to forge and may not meet the requirements of COVID-19
Maybe they are in a deep misconception that it doesn't make any sense to forge it? Or perhaps they are too busy administering the vaccine and postponed this problem to the moment when there are more vaccines than people willing to take them?

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Old 30.12.2020, 23:24
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

According to Ryanair, all you have to do is "jab and go".

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b1779849.html

or here:
https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/28/ryana...cine-13815697/
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Maybe they are in a deep misconception that it doesn't make any sense to forge it?
If I was an anti-vaxer being locked out of the modern age because of some stupid bit of paper, damn right I would find a yellow card factory on the dark web
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Old 31.12.2020, 00:17
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Wow, they're really desperate aren't they?

I came across this article (dated yesterday) earlier today, which is rather disheartening:

Top WHO scientist says vaccinated travelers should still quarantine, citing lack of evidence that COVID-19 vaccines prevent transmission

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-...0-12?r=US&IR=T

"WHO's chief scientist, Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, noted on Monday that the agency had not established whether the COVID-19 vaccines being administered across the US and in Europe prevented people from getting the virus and passing it to others.

"At the moment I don't believe we have the evidence of any of the vaccines to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on," Swaminathan told a virtual briefing, in comments reported by Axios."
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If I was an anti-vaxer being locked out of the modern age because of some stupid bit of paper, damn right I would find a yellow card factory on the dark web
Yeah, but is the percentage of such insane people significant to even bother? Much easier for most to just give up and get a shot than navigate the darknet in the search for the fake yellow card? Honestly, I think it will be easier to bribe a doctor to put a stamp and trash/sell the dose on the black market.
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Now that the vaccine is a reality, I am wondering what kind of certification is planned and why it hasn't already been rolled out . There is only a few weeks before folk will be going in for their second and final booster shots so they really should be getting something official for anticipated use at airports etc...

There is an internationally recognised document called a yellow card which is a requirement for entry into certain countries, but that is laughably easy to forge and may not meet the requirements of COVID-19

We received an official vaccination certificate following the first dose which we have to take with us to the second appointment along with a questionnaire.

It is in french and English and has AVS number and passport number (not yet filled in as the didn’t have that info at the first appointment, that’s on the questionnaire to take with us next time) as well as the dates and lot numbers of the vaccine.
I don’t know if this is the definitive version and if it is valid for travel but there is certainly some certification being provided.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

As recording of vaccinations is so haphazard, airlines will probably accept any kind of evidence that appears authentic.
There won't be a database though.


Maybe they can introduce a stamp in the passport at some point in time.
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They should maybe consider having it administered by the checkout staff at Aldi&Lidl .. We'd all be done by end of next week.
No the queues for the tills are already too long.
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As recording of vaccinations is so haphazard, airlines will probably accept any kind of evidence that appears authentic.
There won't be a database though.


Maybe they can introduce a stamp in the passport at some point in time.
It won’t be the airlines asking for it, it will be the immigration authorities on the other end. I certainly hope ICAO is already working on this.

Of course on checkin or boarding the airlines will ask for it depending on what the governments want.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Lets face it. The vaccine protects you. There is no proof showing that the virus will not be transmitted to the other.

So its a Russian roulett . Take the vaccine and risk very real unknown consequences or go cold turkey without a vaccine and take the risk getting the virus ( with a very high chance of surviving it unscathed ,and get natural immunity )
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This will motivate even most prominent antivaxers and conspiracists to get the shot. Everyone wants to have an insta photo next to Big Ben, screw the principles.
A large number of anti-vaxxers are in the US, and think the only country on the planet (apart from Enemies) is the US.
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Lets face it. The vaccine protects you. There is no proof showing that the virus will not be transmitted to the other.

So its a Russian roulett . Take the vaccine and risk very real unknown consequences or go cold turkey without a vaccine and take the risk getting the virus ( with a very high chance of surviving it unscathed ,and get natural immunity )
Do you realize that with a vax you chance of "very real unknown consequences" is less than 1/100'000?

While with the virus there is a 1/100 (1/1000 if you are young) chance to die, and 1/10 (1/100 if you are young) chance to have a long-term (months) health side effects like altered metabolism, inability to do physical exercise, skin rashes, mental problems etc.?

Just google "long covid", this will change your mind instantly.
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This is what our current vaccine certificate looks like
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