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Yes, definitely 122 56.22%
Not sure. Let's wait and see 32 14.75%
No way. I don't need it 14 6.45%
What vaccine? 1 0.46%
Probably - but not straight away 38 17.51%
Only if they make me 10 4.61%
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This is what our current vaccine certificate looks like
Excellent, thanks BM
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Old 31.12.2020, 12:57
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

I assume if you have some record of the vaccine (yellow book, certificate) if a international format appears, you’ll be able to go to you Dr and convert it.
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Old 31.12.2020, 13:03
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I assume if you have some record of the vaccine (yellow book, certificate) if a international format appears, you’ll be able to go to you Dr and convert it.
I would assume so.
We were told to take our vaccination booklets, if we have one, next time we go so I assume it will be recorded in there too.

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This is what our current vaccine certificate looks like
No lot-No, fake news.
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No lot-No, fake news.
It’s lower down on the form, along with the name of the person administering the vaccine.

It’s all a subtle ruse to prevent forgery. Put the lot number where they’re not expecting it to confuse them.
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This is what our current vaccine certificate looks like
Thank you Belgianmum for posting!

Currently it is unknown if the vaccine stops the Covid transmission from the vaccinated person, and also not clear how long the vaccine effects last. So I wonder if this certificate will be required for travel or any public events?
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Maybe they can introduce a stamp in the passport at some point in time.
Not very practical for those who don't have passports.

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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

They do things a bit different in the North of England. 'Ready...'



With respect to the Pfizer vaccine, REG 174 Information for UK Health Professionals at s. 4.4 specifies:

Special warnings and precautions for use
Hypersensitivity and anaphylaxis
Events of anaphylaxis have been reported. Appropriate medical treatment and supervision should always be readily available in case of an anaphylactic reaction following the administration of the vaccine.
Close observation for at least 15 minutes is recommended following vaccination. A second dose of the vaccine should not be given to those who have experienced anaphylaxis to the first dose of the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2.

It's not clear whether or not these recipients were closely observed after the vaccination or if they just headed straight to McDonalds.

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They do things a bit different in the North of England. 'Ready...'
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The Hyde site is a drive-through model but chiefs are advising that, where possible, people who need the vaccine are not the ones driving.
Where possible?
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Where possible?
Crazy, I know. The document I cited goes on to state at s. 4.7:

Effects on ability to drive and use machines
COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has no or negligible influence on the ability to drive and use machines. However, some of the adverse reactions mentioned under section 4.8 may temporarily affect the ability to drive or use machines.

Seems like a contradiction to me.
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Old 02.01.2021, 20:34
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

The Brits seem to be playing fast and loose with the dosing instructions by the manufacturer. There is also the controversial decision to cancel existing appointments for booster doses (21 days later) in order to vaccinate as many as they can with what they have.

Anthony Fauci as well as Pfizer and Moderna have rejected this approach saying that full immunisation can only be assured with both doses.

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The shit will really hit the fan if someone who had a single dose contracts COVID and then dies.
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The Brits seem to be playing fast and loose with the dosing instructions by the manufacturer. There is also the controversial decision to cancel existing appointments for booster doses (21 days later) in order to vaccinate as many as they can with what they have.
Anthony Fauci as well as Pfizer and Moderna have rejected this approach saying that full immunisation can only be assured with both doses.
The shit will really hit the fan if someone who had a single dose contracts COVID and then dies.
Listening to various UK radio stations, all 4 heads of health departments of the Union support it, plus doctors and GPs who were on the radio.
It's only a matter of time before the 12 weeks becomes the norm elsewhere, as there is nowhere enough vaccine to go around, compounded by this new virulent strain.
It looks like the UK has realised that the new strain is going to blow previous infection rates out of the water.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Also a massive issue with ethics- people have agreed to the vaccination on the basis of two doses at a specific interval. This is now being changed without their consent - and turning them into Guinea Pigs. Huge issue of trust too.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

I’m not certain anyone has said one jab only. They have been talking about delaying the second jab (and not worrying about mix and match)

It’s probably too soon to know if the final immunity from this strategy is equivalent to 21/28 days.

I don’t think that manufactures immunity is any more because, at best, two jabs gives you 95%.
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Listening to various UK radio stations, all 4 heads of health departments of the Union support it, plus doctors and GPs who were on the radio.
Based on what evidence? the vaccine should be given as labelled and recommended by the manufacturer because that is the clinical data upon which it was approved.

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People should get their shots on the recommended schedule, Pfizer said on Thursday, warning “there is no data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.”

Information on the efficacy surrounding a single dose has been misinterpreted, said Peter Marks, director of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s office that oversees vaccines. Relying on one shot, he said, “is concerning.”

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Anything else is termed off-label use and carries huge risk not to mention reducing the confidence of those who receive it until their second shot 12 weeks later (which again is an untested regimen that may not give the 95% claimed efficacy).

Their heart is in the right place but this could turn out to be an epic fail, and a massive shame for the first country to have approved the vaccine.
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Based on what evidence? the vaccine should be given as labelled and recommended by the manufacturer because that is the clinical data upon which it was approved.



Anything else is termed off-label use and carries huge risk not to mention reducing the confidence of those who receive it until their second shot 12 weeks later (which again is an untested regimen that may not give the 95% claimed efficacy).

Their heart is in the right place but this could turn out to be an epic fail, and a massive shame for the first country to have approved the vaccine.
Just a reminder it's approval is for emergency use, it's not approved in the normal sense so it's all basically 'off label'.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Also good to note that the Phase III trials are estimated to be fully completed in January 2023.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728
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Just a reminder it's approval is for emergency use, it's not approved in the normal sense so it's all basically 'off label'.
It actually isn't, there are still strict and binding conditions for an emergency use authorisation product.

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This is unchartered territory, but having said that I'm sure the MHRA will follow the government's lead.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

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Do you realize that with a vax you chance of "very real unknown consequences" is less than 1/100'000?
It is amazing how people love numbers/stats only in one way

For some reason, it is not important to mention constantly how the overall covid death rate is 1% or lower and survival rate is 99 %
Imagine, if this would turn all day on tv and in the whole media... ? can you just imagine the difference how each one , would feel ? which of course ,brings us to the question, Why this is not done ...

Another big problem here is how people , believe they've been well informed because they watch/listen corporate media . They also , say how they believe > science . this is funny on so many different levels..

Me, I have identified two big problems in our society..
A. People tend to believe the argument from authority.. it's just the way we've been wired up. Also, people do believe how generally (in our societies) the system works, might be corrupted , there are flaws, but it works. And it would be difficult to corrupt the system on many levels , government agencies, institutions etc . therefore, they can not lie, fabricate something at such a large scale .

B. How ready and free is really each on of us , to observe, analyse ,deduct by ourselves and not by the authority. Because, .. what if they're simply wrong ?

- In the Biderman's Chart of coercion (coercive methods for enforcing compliance) , it is stated.. how one of the methods is also to Enforce stupid trivial demands .. This is done, in order to create a state of submission to orders that are ridiculous, illogical, stupid (wearing masks, washing hands with alcohol, 2m distances..curfews, arrows)
We have witnessed so far, how WHO went from recommending one thing to after saying quite the opposite ..

The reason I said this is because almost everyone .. is afraid of being judged by the others .. how they're a fool, dumb, low profile.. if they say "I dont agree with the lies we've been told" . Which means, we're already in some totalitarian regime, where we are supposed to just obey and can not question the authority.
In 2009-2010 there was also a killer virus, H1n1 and it was pandemic, then quickly the vaccine came out to save the humanity, governments spent billions of $ for the vaccines but no one went to get the vaccine . Few years later WHO after few "investigations" came to the conclusion how , "yes this was a false pandemic , hyped by the pharma and their lobbies " , and was someone sanctioned? asked for their responsibilities? fined? .. no, just like now ..
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Of course everyone hopes and prays to get our lives back, our economy,society... and the vaccine is the solution .. But how come, when , those same people say how .. "well no. . after the 1st vaccine , you still need to wear a mouth nappy, and you have to do social distancing.. " but , you must re-vax in 3 weeks ... and still wear a nappy .. And, since the virus is mutating , you need to re-vax in 2-3 months ..and so on and so on ..And no, unfortunately, things cant go back to normal, because we are in the New Normal. Which means, you have to wear a mouth nappy and the children as well..
They do tell this to all of us so clearly yet here people believe how "we ALL need to get a jab,and then we're fine" , everything is ok , life can continue . Either this is just cognitive distortions , the ones that usually develop over time in response to this collective trauma ... like this one ,we're living ..
or it's just in a human nature, not to pay attention to the "bad" news, but to hope and hope ...
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