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Yes, definitely 121 56.02%
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Basically, to answer the question "covid vacc: will you get it?" , my answer will be ... hmmmm

For the deadly (but mysterious) virus with a 99% survival rate, .. they came up quickly with a vaccine , that has never ever been used up until now.
It does not work the usual way by weakned virus and with some heavy metals to trigger the immune response... But more like a gene therapy .

The lab themselves say how they havent isolated the virus per koch postulates but ... this vaccine, totally new concept, mRNA , once injected, is supposed to give instructions to our immune system to make our own version of the spike protein, which happens shortly following immunisation. Production of the spike inside our cells then starts the process of protective antibody and T cell production. But, scientists, immunologists...argue how this is such an unknown territory...since each one of us reacts differently and some of us will create too much of an immune response, with others it can mess up certain gene reaction because of some shared amino acid sequences .
Just like the covid19’s spike protein and syncytin-1 are viral fusion proteins that cause membrane fusion, they arent related but they can cause a confusion and we dont know how some organisms can react.

On top of everything..they're saying how even if you're vaccinated with this vaccine, you can still get the covid, and you can still be "asymptomatic" (haha) and the rules will not change anyhow . And the GAVI president even announced how the virus is here to stay for few years and we better get used to the new rules .
But, once we line in the queue for the vaccine we are not really allowed to take all of this into consideration but be positive, believe in fairies and think how , we're just a jab away from things going back to normal . (and once we realise this, we're supposed to put the blame on the others, never ever ... the elite, the corporations)
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Basically, to answer the question "covid vacc: will you get it?" , my answer will be ... hmmmm

For the deadly (but mysterious) virus with a 99% survival rate, .. they came up quickly with a vaccine , that has never ever been used up until now.
It does not work the usual way by weakned virus and with some heavy metals to trigger the immune response... But more like a gene therapy .

The lab themselves say how they havent isolated the virus per koch postulates but ... this vaccine, totally new concept, mRNA , once injected, is supposed to give instructions to our immune system to make our own version of the spike protein, which happens shortly following immunisation. Production of the spike inside our cells then starts the process of protective antibody and T cell production. But, scientists, immunologists...argue how this is such an unknown territory...since each one of us reacts differently and some of us will create too much of an immune response, with others it can mess up certain gene reaction because of some shared amino acid sequences .
Just like the covid19’s spike protein and syncytin-1 are viral fusion proteins that cause membrane fusion, they arent related but they can cause a confusion and we dont know how some organisms can react.

On top of everything..they're saying how even if you're vaccinated with this vaccine, you can still get the covid, and you can still be "asymptomatic" (haha) and the rules will not change anyhow . And the GAVI president even announced how the virus is here to stay for few years and we better get used to the new rules .
But, once we line in the queue for the vaccine we are not really allowed to take all of this into consideration but be positive, believe in fairies and think how , we're just a jab away from things going back to normal . (and once we realise this, we're supposed to put the blame on the others, never ever ... the elite, the corporations)
Obviously written by someone (at 03.32!?!) with little or no experience of friends and relations who have contracted Covid-19. I now know of over a dozen currently quarantined with it, 2 who died of it and one who spent 5½ months in hospital with it and will never be the same again.

Mass vaccination will save lives - by both preventing people catching Covid and allowing those with other life-critical illnesses to receive hospital treatment.

Mass vaccination will shorten the pandemic and allow life and economies to return to normal sooner. Also reducing the mental burden many are suffering.

Letting the virus to run its course and mutate as it does is irresponsible and makes any supposed and speculated side effects involved worth the risk.

I want the vaccine ASAP...
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Letting the virus to run its course and mutate as it does is irresponsible and makes any supposed and speculated side effects involved worth the risk.

I want the vaccine ASAP...
I am very sorry about those that you know who died from Covid.

WHO says that there is no evidence that the vaccinated person will not be contagious and will not spread the virus. Why do you think the mass vaccination will stop the virus from running its course and mutating?
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WHO says that there is no evidence that the vaccinated person will not be contagious and will not spread the virus. Why do you think the mass vaccination will stop the virus from running its course and mutating?
It won't stop it, but will decrease such a likelihood by many orders of magnitude. Every single covid case has a certain likelihood of mutation. Now if you have 1 billion cases or 1 thousand cases, this will make this difference in the likelihood of the event to appear. Same with transmission, if your body starts fighting the virus from day one, you will replicate less virus and will be less contagious. You might still infect someone though, how much less likely is this event is the question to be answered.
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WHO says that there is no evidence that the vaccinated person will not be contagious and will not spread the virus. Why do you think the mass vaccination will stop the virus from running its course and mutating?
That's why in some countries they are trying to work out this question. In the U.K, in one such trial, they are going to inject 2500 vaccinated volunteers with the COVID-19 virus and monitor, amongst other things, whether they are contagious even though they have been vaccinated.

Don't worry Leonie, let other countries do the risky dangerous work which gives people like you here in Switzerland time to spread fear and worry rather than do anything remotely useful.

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I am very sorry about those that you know who died from Covid.

WHO says that there is no evidence that the vaccinated person will not be contagious and will not spread the virus. Why do you think the mass vaccination will stop the virus from running its course and mutating?
The articles I read positioned this differently - in vaccine development you normally have a longer time which is used to prove also that aside from not getting the specific virus, you will also not spread it. With the speed at which CoVid vaccine had to be developed, they had no time to do this specific test which requires exposure etc. Hence they cannot yet confirm it and want to avoid making people feel safer than they should before knowing for sure.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sci...ansmission/amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune...nsmission/amp/

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A: Most vaccines that protect from viral illnesses also reduce transmission of the virus that causes the disease by those who are vaccinated. While it is hoped this will be the case, the scientific community does not yet know if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will reduce such transmission.

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I am very sorry about those that you know who died from Covid.
Leonie, WHO has advised governments worldwide not to perform autopsies (because we're in crisis) , therefore , there arent any autopsies performed for 9months now. This means, there is no procedure that has verified how the dead patients lungs were severely damaged (from the virus, that causes bacterial infections -that can be treated but many treatments were refused anyhow) ..

So , all of this is Appeal to emotion , another fallacy we have to deal with .
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

The question on transmission is an interesting one, if the current crop of vaccines fails to reduce transmission there is still the option of intranasal vaccine sprays. The conventional vaccine is given in muscle far away from the nose so it relies on the production of circulating antibodies being formed in the blood, some of which will make its way towards the nose to neutralise the virus.

Whether that is enough to tackle the reservoir of rapidly dividing viruses up there is the billion dollar question. What a vaccine spray would do is give you much more localised mucosal immunity (the lining of the nasal passages) and that should solve the problem once and for all.
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Leonie, WHO has advised governments worldwide not to perform autopsies (because we're in crisis) , therefore , there arent any autopsies performed for 9months now. This means, there is no procedure that has verified how the dead patients lungs were severely damaged (from the virus, that causes bacterial infections -that can be treated but many treatments were refused anyhow) ..
I am sorry but that is total bollocks.

This is just one of numerous articles relation to autopsies on COVID-19 patients.

https://link.springer.com/article/10...24-020-00310-8
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For the deadly (but mysterious) virus with a 99% survival rate
Your post is riddled with inaccuracies but I'll start with this one, since so many people try to trivialize COVID-19.

The mortality rate is closer to 3% than to 1%; to be precise, 1,845,300/62,051,251, or 2.97%.

Of course, by looking at only the mortality rate, you are ignoring the debilitating effects on survivors. These are now quite well documented, and extensive. Note that the numbers you see online of patients "recovered" from COVID-19 are simply those who weren't killed by the disease. That doesn't mean that they are all healthy and happy, having returned to the lives they had pre-COVID-19.
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Your post is riddled with inaccuracies but I'll start with this one, since so many people try to trivialize COVID-19.

The mortality rate is closer to 3% than to 1%; to be precise, 1,845,300/62,051,251, or 2.97%.

Of course, by looking at only the mortality rate, you are ignoring the debilitating effects on survivors. These are now quite well documented, and extensive. Note that the numbers you see online of patients "recovered" from COVID-19 are simply those who weren't killed by the disease. That doesn't mean that they are all healthy and happy, having returned to the lives they had pre-COVID-19.

Exactly - the reported 10-15% of under 70s who are symptomatic and who get Long Covid which increases to 20%+ over 70.

People like to just mention the deaths like the rest doesn't matter. There have been Olympian level athletes who've been hit with Long Covid.

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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

22yrds, I wish there are inaccuracies in what I wrote..But there cant be. For the simple reason, I am not making up the information myself, it's not my own opinion, I am only following what professionals are saying . This, often is omitted by the big media and perhaps this is where the problem lies..

For ex. I can cite dr Fouché, who is Anesthesiologist Resuscitator, at the hospital Conception in Marseille (one of the largest hospitals in france) .. And he states, how the mortality rate is 99,95%
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kvk8...TSt%C3%A9phane )

He didnt come up with those numbers just like that.. And there are many others who are stating the same thing. Of course, the cynics will straight away say how these d-r are quacks, stupid,ignorant etc.. But, the quesiton remains : why ? why would he/she claim something totally false . ?


We are coming slowly to the core of the problem... 10 d-r specialists will claim how there's a killer virus, and because they dont want you to die, you have to vaccinate yourself..and again and again and they do clearly say, you will still have to continue to wear the nappy, and follow arrows and obey and stay at home when told .. etc ,etc.

Then, there are 10 other d-r specialists who will say quite the opposite.

Why should I believe the former ? on what grounds?
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If the mortality rate was 99.95%, we'd have a bit of a problem on our hands.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

I don't expect people to agree with me on this, but if it were up to me, we'd shut everything* down again until a large percentage of the population has been vaccinated.

But perhaps even more than that, I'd shut everything* down long enough for the virus to die because it can't find a new host. The COVID virus dies after about 2 weeks when it cannot find a new host.

*Everything with the exception of grocery stores, pharmacies, hospitals and doctor's offices (of course).


If we don't want to still be dealing with this pandemic -- and a potentially much, much worse pandemic due to the new mutations -- we need to do something drastic. It's just an unfortunate reality, and I don't think we should wait until the situation is uncontrollable to try to control it.
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And he states, how the mortality rate is 99,95
Ignoring the obvious typo and assuming that you meant mortality is 0.05%, but sorry, this is just BS.

New York city population: 8.4 M
Total NYC covid deaths: 25.2 k

25'200 / 8'400'000 = 0.3% of NYC population already died from COVID. And the cases are still going exponentially in this wave, meaning it is way less than 50% of the population who have had this virus (no signs of herd immunity).
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If the mortality rate was 99.95%, we'd have a bit of a problem on our hands.
It would solve the overpopulation of the planet problem pretty rapidly.
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4) Will proof of vaccination be required to travel?
This one is easy, the Swiss view is irrelevant, it’s what the destination country wants.

I seriously doubt the Swiss will require a vaccination for travel on public transport. ... Yet.
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The question on transmission is an interesting one, if the current crop of vaccines fails to reduce transmission there is still the option of intranasal vaccine sprays. The conventional vaccine is given in muscle far away from the nose so it relies on the production of circulating antibodies being formed in the blood, some of which will make its way towards the nose to neutralise the virus.

Whether that is enough to tackle the reservoir of rapidly dividing viruses up there is the billion dollar question. What a vaccine spray would do is give you much more localised mucosal immunity (the lining of the nasal passages).
I honestly think it's a great idea. Windex fans will agree with me?

But can't see a universal spray against a virus that mutates. So us exposed staff get a different spray a week? We spray twice a week? Or on Sunday. Or just once for good? What is that going to do long term to our regular immunity and how will that mutate the virus, if used en mass.

Anyways. I tend to think that we need to adapt already now to the idea of potentially carrying covid and count on it when planning our social life, travels, family life...etc. The threat is unlikely to disappear fast.
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Haven’t seen a mention here but, according to the BBC the BMJ (British Medical Journal) has asked the New York Times issue a correction to its report that the UK was alright with mixing and matching the types of vaccines.

That is not the policy. But should it happen inadvertently it isn’t likely to be dangerous to the individual. Consequences on immunity are unknown.
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I honestly think it's a great idea. Windex fans will agree with me?

But can't see a universal spray against a virus that mutates. So us exposed staff get a different spray a week? We spray twice a week? Or on Sunday. Or just once for good? What is that going to do long term to our regular immunity and how will that mutate the virus, if used en mass.

Anyways. I tend to think that we need to adapt already now to the idea of potentially carrying covid and count on it when planning our social life, travels, family life...etc. The threat is unlikely to disappear fast.
The flu vaccine is given yearly to some as a nasal spray. I don’t believe covid has mutated that wildly to necessitate “a different spray each week”, but I guess we’ll have to see, if and when such things are formulated.
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