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Yes, definitely 112 54.90%
Not sure. Let's wait and see 31 15.20%
No way. I don't need it 13 6.37%
What vaccine? 1 0.49%
Probably - but not straight away 37 18.14%
Only if they make me 10 4.90%
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you can't group everyone into the category though. there are far more people reluctant to take a covid vaccine immediately than crazy anti-vaxers.

Primarily due to the massive amount of misinformation being spread by anti-vaxers though. They're in the minority but they attack en mass against any pro-vax posts on social media.

There are fully detailed documents debunking the technology, 'rushing of testing' and other actual facts for the Covid vaccine if people actually look for them.
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They thought Thalidomide was safe and look what happened there.

Well firstly Thalidomide is not a vaccine, but more importantly the EXACT reason why they have multiple stage clinical trails for vaccines and medicines is because we've come on a long way in 70 years on a regulatory and scientific basis and are a lot more careful before anything gets to public consumption.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

I’ve booked my RDV for Thursday 14 January. Booked online on the Vaud Cantonal web-site.

I’m not 75 but I am a T1 diabetic.

On the site you answer a few questions about gender, age, allergies, chronic medical conditions etc; then given a choice of five locations.

Did this at 08h10 this morning and it appears slots are going quickly.
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Old 07.01.2021, 10:02
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I’ve booked my RDV for Thursday 14 January. Booked online on the Vaud Cantonal web-site.

I’m not 75 but I am a T1 diabetic.

On the site you answer a few questions about gender, age, allergies, chronic medical conditions etc; then given a choice of five locations.

Did this at 08h10 this morning and it appears slots are going quickly.
Is your diabetes poorly controlled?
A friend in Yverdon was told by her GP they’re not considered to be in the risk category because their T1 diabetes is well controlled and their hbA1c is below 8.
I will tell her to have a look at the online site.
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Is your diabetes poorly controlled?
A friend in Yverdon was told by her GP they’re not considered to be in the risk category because their T1 diabetes is well controlled and their hbA1c is below 8.
I will tell her to have a look at the online site.
That‘s what I read from Zurich too.
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Old 07.01.2021, 10:22
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That‘s what I read from Zurich too.
It’s the same in Neuchâtel as well.
Any ‘risk’ such as diabetes, hypertension etc that is well controlled does not put a person in the first group for vaccination.

I asked Bowlie because he is in the same canton as my friend and wondered if some places were applying the criteria more strictly than others.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

My 84-year old mother-in-law is receiving her first vaccine dose today, in the canton of Aargau. She is scheduled to have the second dose on February 4th.

For myself (who is high-risk due to asthma and a heart condition), my doctor in Uster told me today that regarding a vaccine for myself and when that will be available, they won't have any more information until the end of January and so I should call back then.
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The vaccine can can help prevent the spread of the virus because, for one thing, it can help prevent someone from showing symptoms such as coughing and sneezing, and those are the primary ways that the virus's particles are spread ("respiratory particles").
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Reducing the symptoms might reduce the spread from coughing and sneezing.

From the other hand, people with symptoms become aware that they might be contagious. They get tested, if positive they get quarantined. Their contacts are identified and also quarantined. Without symptoms it will be much harder to identify the infected people. I think this question whether the vaccine prevents the spread is so important.
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It’s the same in Neuchâtel as well.
Any ‘risk’ such as diabetes, hypertension etc that is well controlled does not put a person in the first group for vaccination.

I asked Bowlie because he is in the same canton as my friend and wondered if some places were applying the criteria more strictly than others.
I suspect it was age + T1, I am 66 this year. My A1c is 6.8, so well controlled.

The question I responded to only mentioned diabetes, not T1, T2, or any other variations.

I think I got bumped up a group.
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Old 07.01.2021, 11:03
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Reducing the symptoms might reduce the spread from coughing and sneezing.

From the other hand, people with symptoms become aware that they might be contagious. They get tested, if positive they get quarantined. Their contacts are identified and also quarantined. Without symptoms it will be much harder to identify the infected people. I think this question whether the vaccine prevents the spread is so important.
Seeing as the vaccines kill the virus I cannot see how it can remain contagious. Dead cells cannot reproduce.
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Old 07.01.2021, 11:07
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

The Canton VD site lists the details for the classification as severely vulnerable, i.e. for diabetes it is HbA1c greater/equal to 8%, hypertension resistant to treatment greater than 160mm Hg, severe renal insufficiency of DFG less than 30 ml/min, obesity of IMC greater/equal 35 kg/m2, cardiac chronic stage II NYHA, etc..

https://coronavax.unisante.ch/sites/..._29Dec2020.pdf
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Old 07.01.2021, 11:10
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Everyone in my family had T2 Diabetes. By today's overeating standards their body looks average, but I personally would consider them obese/overweight.

I bought a blood reader many years ago to keep an eye on my blood sugar levels as I want to do my best to fight any bad genetics plus I don't want to go their way, ever!

My fasting blood sugar levels have stayed constant around 4.8 to 5.1, A1c 5.1.

Shall I assume Covid is no threat to me from at least Diabetes point of view?
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Seeing as the vaccines kill the virus I cannot see how it can remain contagious. Dead cells cannot reproduce.
Whoah, steady on there. After the vaccine(s) is taken, immunization can still take several weeks to fully develop and what it means is that the virus will not make you sick because it teaches your body how to recognise and fight it, it does not necessarily mean that all vaccines will immediately kill all COVID cells and blocks all transmission. That is yet to be determined via studies and each vaccine can work in different ways.
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Seeing as the vaccines kill the virus I cannot see how it can remain contagious. Dead cells cannot reproduce.
Vaccines don't kill the virus, rather they arm the body's own defences to be able to do so. The contention here is that it's not been proven to what extent a vaccinated person who contracts the virus will be contagious while their body is fighting it off, and whether, having armed the body to be unaffected by the virus, it is then completely eliminated from the body.

There is no evidence (AFAIAA) to suggest that a vaccinated person could still pass on the virus, it's just that it's not been proven that they can not.
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Everyone in my family had T2 Diabetes. By today's overeating standards their body looks average, but I personally would consider them obese/overweight.

I bought a blood reader many years ago to keep an eye on my blood sugar levels as I want to do my best to fight any bad genetics plus I don't want to go their way, ever!

My fasting blood sugar levels have stayed constant around 4.8 to 5.1, A1c 5.1.

Shall I assume Covid is no threat to me from at least Diabetes point of view?
See post above, in VD you are not in the first most vulnerable category as not above 8% A1c
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See post above, in VD you are not in the first most vulnerable category as not above 8% A1c

Just saw, I guess I was typing/making tea when that got posted I was thinking more about prediabetes as some Dr. think that prediabetes levels should be lowered.

Current prediabetes levels-

110 to 125 mg/dL (6.1 mmol/L to 6.9 mmol/L) – WHO criteria
100 to 125 mg/dL (5.6 mmol/L to 6.9 mmol/L) – ADA criteria
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Seeing as the vaccines kill the virus I cannot see how it can remain contagious. Dead cells cannot reproduce.
The vaccine doesn't kill the virus. It just primes the immune system. It is possible that the vaccine stimulates the immune system sufficiently to avoid hospitalization/symptoms but not sufficently to stop the vaccinated person from being able to spread the disease.

When you read the clinical trial protocols, you might find that what the public thinks the vaccines does and what the trails actually determined they do can be very different things.
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If your son shares your genes and was very ill despite his much younger age I'm not sure it's sensible for you to refuse.

Reality is that protection is probably close to 100% in terms of stopping you getting very sick or dying. The 60-95% is the efficacy in preventing you from catching it. Does it really matter if its relegated to a slight cough as a result of the vaccine? Not really.

I work in Pharma - Thalidomide would never have been approved now for pregnant women. Don't let that sway your thinking. Its a very long time ago and lessons have been thoroughly learnt.

If you were my dad I'd be giving you blue murder until you had it.
Thanks for this. It makes sense but I'm still wary. At the moment I'm on a remote game reserve of 35,000ha and I'll be here till at least May. The vaccine is not even due to arrive here till about then so it does in one way give me some breathing space.

I'm very cautious about getting the virus, and also about being sure not to transmit it if I have it and don't know. Fingers crossed!!!
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

OK, I misspoke. The Vaccine teaches the body how to kill the virus. But in the end it is dead and cannot reproduce. And your immunity grows from the first injection until a few weeks after the second injection. During that period contamination can still occur.

Not all there your glucose levels are normal for an Adult. Keep your weight in the normal range and you should be able avoid T2 with ease.
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Just saw, I guess I was typing/making tea when that got posted I was thinking more about prediabetes as some Dr. think that prediabetes levels should be lowered.

Current prediabetes levels-

110 to 125 mg/dL (6.1 mmol/L to 6.9 mmol/L) – WHO criteria
100 to 125 mg/dL (5.6 mmol/L to 6.9 mmol/L) – ADA criteria
I remember when the level was 7.5 and I can't help but wonder as it's such a massive business whether they want to lower it to catch more people. I read that on average it costs the healthcare system in the US about $9,000 per year per person. Multiply that by the number of people and the sum is enormous.!
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