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Yes, definitely 111 54.95%
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Old 07.01.2021, 11:48
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Spoke to my GP.

He strongly recommends everyone to get vaccinated asap. He stated that it is the only way to "break the chain", otherwise, the world will be in and out of various lockdowns and virus mutations for years to come.

He recovered from Covid-19 himself last month...
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Spoke to my GP.

He strongly recommends everyone to get vaccinated asap. He stated that it is the only way to "break the chain", otherwise, the world will be in and out of various lockdowns and virus mutations for years to come.

He recovered from Covid-19 himself last month...
Pfft, your GP knows nothing. Tell him to consult Tom2lemans's wife-s GP instead.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Our GP is currently trying to push forwards OH's vaccination. He has 4 conditions which are on the list of priorities, but 'unfortunately' they are just too stable, and he has made a huge effort to bring his weight down- which also penalises him... and he is 2 months off his 75th BD. We know she will do her best.

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Old 07.01.2021, 12:13
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OK, I misspoke. The Vaccine teaches the body how to kill the virus. But in the end it is dead and cannot reproduce. And your immunity grows from the first injection until a few weeks after the second injection. During that period contamination can still occur.
Its because this is a respiratory infection, so the main port of entry is your nose and mouth. Even though you have circulating antibodies in your blood after vaccination, the virus is still blooming in your nasal cavities faster than the antibodies can neutralise them. More simply the virus has to be in contact with the blood in your nasal capillaries, but if they're outside the door in your nasal cavities, its still party time.

Thats why its still *critical* during a pandemic for vaccinated people to continue to wear masks to protect others from possible spread. One solution is a supplementary nasal vaccine that will provide more local mucosal immunity.
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Old 07.01.2021, 12:59
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I suspect it was age + T1, I am 66 this year. My A1c is 6.8, so well controlled.

The question I responded to only mentioned diabetes, not T1, T2, or any other variations.

I think I got bumped up a group.
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She’s a bit younger than you (63 or 64 I can’t quite remember which) and hers is well controlled too at a similar level to yours so I suspect age was also a factor when she spoke to her GP about it.

She just tried via the form now and if she answers no to the chronic illness question (which she should do as hers is well controlled) then she is not eligible but if she answers yes then she is invited to make and appointment.
The questionnaire obviously relies on people being honest about their conditions and reading the criteria closely when they fill it in.
I suspect people will try to abuse it to get further up the list (not saying that’s what you did Bowlie as you are obviously at risk for multiple reasons).
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Old 07.01.2021, 14:28
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Its because this is a respiratory infection, so the main port of entry is your nose and mouth.

So a squirt of soap in the mouth and nostrils should protect everyone

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Its because this is a respiratory infection, so the main port of entry is your nose and mouth. Even though you have circulating antibodies in your blood after vaccination, the virus is still blooming in your nasal cavities faster than the antibodies can neutralise them. More simply the virus has to be in contact with the blood in your nasal capillaries, but if they're outside the door in your nasal cavities, its still party time.

Thats why its still *critical* during a pandemic for vaccinated people to continue to wear masks to protect others from possible spread. One solution is a supplementary nasal vaccine that will provide more local mucosal immunity.
I agree that it's possible for infection to be passed on from a vaccinated person but its also unlikely. One, there's no evidence it can actually "bloom" after vaccination - that might be a reasonable conservative assumption, but it is just an assumption. Two, it's been shown that symptomless people are far less infectious than those with symptoms.
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Old 07.01.2021, 15:43
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I agree that it's possible for infection to be passed on from a vaccinated person but its also unlikely. One, there's no evidence it can actually "bloom" after vaccination - that might be a reasonable conservative assumption, but it is just an assumption. Two, it's been shown that symptomless people are far less infectious than those with symptoms.
Maybe I'm erring more on the side of pessimism. Its already remarkable how efficacious the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been in reducing symptoms, so to expect a similar reduction in transmission just seems greedy

With regards to symptomless people being less infectious, again it could just be they're not sneezing and coughing as much, which is nature's way of spreading it.
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With regards to symptomless people being less infectious, again it could just be they're not sneezing and coughing as much, which is nature's way of spreading it.
Yup, this will play a big part.
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OK, I misspoke. The Vaccine teaches the body how to kill the virus. But in the end it is dead and cannot reproduce. And your immunity grows from the first injection until a few weeks after the second injection. During that period contamination can still occur.

Not all there your glucose levels are normal for an Adult. Keep your weight in the normal range and you should be able avoid T2 with ease.
There was a discussion about this earlier, that the virus can reproduce locally in the nose for some time, as the immune response doesn't allow it to spread further in your body, but this response may or may not be sufficient to beat it off immediately, so if you sneeze on someone in this period when it is active there, you may infect someone.

P.S. Ooops, I just missed the post by Castro earlier this page... anyway...
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

But that assumes I already have the virus before I get the vaccination. Six weeks, or so, later my body will be able to fight off a hitchhiker.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

There was an interesting study in the Netherlands, when 10 people have been randomly selected and followed for re-infection by 4 coronaviruses. Follow‐up of subjects started in 1985 at regular intervals (every 3 months prior to 1989, and every 6 months afterwards).
There are four types of seasonal coronaviruses, HCoV‐ NL63, HCoV‐229E, HCoV‐OC43, and HCoV‐HKU1, which were checked in the study.

ONE SENTENCE SUMMARY: Coronavirus protective immunity is short‐lasting.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...439v1.full.pdf

The lasting effect of Covid-19 antibodies is still being investigated, but there is some research about other coronaviruses. If SARS‐CoV‐2 immunity is similar to the other coronaviruses, then we probably will have to get vaccinated more than once.
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Old 08.01.2021, 17:12
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Just wanted to say that my 84-year old mother-in-law received dose #1 of the Pfizer vaccine yesterday morning in canton Aargau. She has no history of allergies and has had absolutely no side effects from the vaccine at this point.

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There was an interesting study in the Netherlands, when 10 people have been randomly selected and followed for re-infection by 4 coronaviruses. Follow‐up of subjects started in 1985 at regular intervals (every 3 months prior to 1989, and every 6 months afterwards).
There are four types of seasonal coronaviruses, HCoV‐ NL63, HCoV‐229E, HCoV‐OC43, and HCoV‐HKU1, which were checked in the study.

ONE SENTENCE SUMMARY: Coronavirus protective immunity is short‐lasting.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...439v1.full.pdf

The lasting effect of Covid-19 antibodies is still being investigated, but there is some research about other coronaviruses. If SARS‐CoV‐2 immunity is similar to the other coronaviruses, then we probably will have to get vaccinated more than once.
Moderna CEO says antibodies level from their vax is declining very slowly and protection can last up to two years. Another argument for vaccination, if the natural immunity wouldn't last too long.

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“The nightmare scenario that was described in the media in the spring with a vaccine only working a month or two is, I think, out of the window,” Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel said at an event organised by financial services group Oddo BHF.

“The antibody decay generated by the vaccine in humans goes down very slowly (...) We believe there will be protection potentially for a couple of years.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN29C0YK


Also some side note: Moderna's dose is apparently 3 times higher than the Pfizer's. Although the correlation between dose size and immunity strength/length is not linear.

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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Here's a good overview of the vaccines that have been ordered so far from each manufacturer and by which countries:

https://www.economist.com/img/b/1280...109_woc963.png

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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Latest update for those in SZ (13 Jan 2021)

https://www.sz.ch/privatpersonen/ges...-444-1712-7591

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Starting Friday, 15 Jan, vaccines will be administered in Lachen, Einsiedeln, and Schwyz hospitals.

Priority is given to those over 75, and at the moment only that group may register.

To make an appointment, those eligible must register through the central platform. It is not possible to get an appointment directly on site at the vaccination centers.

You can register via the Canton Schwyz homepage starting at 09:00 on Thursday, 14 January 2021, here:

www.sz.ch/corona-impfen-registrierung

Your health insurance card is required for registration.

(My note: If you know of someone over 75 who is uncomfortable with online registration, please lend your friend a hand...)

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As soon as available supplies allow, vaccination should next be open to adults with high risk chronic disease regardless of age.

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Vaccination is expected to be available to the rest of the Schwyzer population by the end of the second quarter.

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Keep an eye on the cantonal Impfung page for updated information.
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Old 13.01.2021, 15:16
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Priority is given to those over 75, and at the moment only that group may register.

To make an appointment, those eligible must register through the central platform. It is not possible to get an appointment directly on site at the vaccination centers.....
Same in Zug. Registration started on Monday and an elderly friend of mine did it. We are now waiting to see how quickly he will be invited and how the further procedures are.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

I got my first Covid-19 jab on Tuesday in Gland. Registered for the jab on-line 1 week ago. The questionnaire is about 5 questions and the critical one is the one asking if you have a "critical" condition without being very specific about what that includes. I'm diabetic with high blood pressure, so self-diagnosed myself as fitting into that group. I'm over 65 but under 75.
The vaccination centre in Gland was well organized and marking was clear. I arrived about 10 minutes early but was taken in straight away. On entering, you're checked off on a list to ensure you have an appointment and then go to some administrative staff, who check all the paperwork, including your insurance card and giving you the second jab appointment. After that it was off to the vaccination cubicles. There were four of them, but there was no wait when I was there. The jab itself is exactly like a flu jab. You then have to sit down for 15 minutes and that's it. I was there for just under 30 minutes in total.
Immediately after, I received confirmation of my second jab appointment and my vaccination certificate on my mobile phone.
After effects for me were minimal, just a little sensitivity at the point of injection for 24 hours or so, again similar to a flu jab.
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Old 14.01.2021, 19:25
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

The US gets a bad rap about the reaction to the virus, but......10 million vaccines applied so far, not bad at all. From the FT covid tracker:https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-...c-cbdf5b386938

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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

You can now register for vaccinations in Kanton Luzern - the online registration platform opened today. Timeline is March for the 65-75 age group, and June for the under-65s, but anyone can already register (which I did).

https://lu.impfung-covid.ch
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