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Yes, definitely 123 56.42%
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It's a numbers "game":
75% of the dead were 80+ years old, 453k people are in that age group. Another 20% were in their 70ies, that should be another 700k or so.

Those 1.2mln vaccinations (2.4mln doses) are enough for ~30% of the working-age population, but that doesn't stop the danger for the elderly.

The British virus variant has appeared for the first time in an elderly care home in CH, in Ticino, 3/4 of the residents have been infected in a very short time. Ticino is banning visitors from the care homes again, the ban has been issued Friday, probably effective immediately.
I don't follow your maths. 75% of the dead = 453k, but 20% = 700k?

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Old 18.01.2021, 11:06
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I don't follow your maths. 75% of the dead = 4t3k, but 20% = 700k?
I think those are the number of people in those age groups who are still alive who need to be vaccinated.
At least that’s how I understood it but I could be wrong.
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While avoiding teachers getting the virus is part of my thinking, my main concern is they provide a means of it spreading from family to family. One infected kid giving it to a teacher, who gives it to the other kids and their fellow teachers who give it to their kids ...

Of course you would still have child to child spread but having the teachers in the conduit can make it much worse.

My Mum was a primary school teacher all her working life. About the only time you wasn’t suffering sniffles, coughs and the general lurgy was in the summer, when the schools were closed for two months.
In the Tessin they have now closed a middle school in Morbio Interiore due to 13 cases of coronavirus, including at least two of the British Covid variant. 500 pupils and 70 teachers are now in quarantine.
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Old 18.01.2021, 11:35
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I think those are the number of people in those age groups who are still alive who need to be vaccinated.
At least that’s how I understood it but I could be wrong.
Right, time for another coffee, methinks!
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The guidance is changing very rapidly e.g. the Irish Health Service Executive now recommends it.
Im not really sure it has the basis for doing so. It specifically says that it has not been tested on this group. It has some data sure - but its not a proper clinical trial. There's a very good reason that separate clinical trials are normally required for pregnant women.

I'm very pro-vax, and I probably would say no if I was pregnant. My sister is a hospital worker (part time), lecturer in pharmacy (part time) and 8 months pregnant and has decided to say no until she has given birth.

Its probably no bad thing as that vaccine can go to someone in their 70s instead.
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Old 18.01.2021, 15:03
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This is something I don't get at all. Instead of proudly leading the pack and talking about it to increase vaccination rates, the BR (federal council) got vaccinated ahead of the general schedule in a clandestine manner. As if it were something that needed hiding.

Alternatively, as if the BR was afraid to lead and show the way.
What did I miss? It was known (and published in Switzerland's favourite newspaper ) before Christmas that the Bundesrat will get vaccinated and launch the entire campaign with it.

Were they supposed to do it on the telly?
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I don't follow your maths. 75% of the dead = 453k, but 20% = 700k?
75% of the dead (4'666 of 6'408 as of today) came from among the group of 453k, i.e. were 80 years of age or older. 1'265 of the dead were 70-79 years of age, that age bracket should encompass (my guesstimate) ~700k people.

That's only for the 2nd wave though and according to Tagesanzeiger, I forgot to mention. The numbers for the entire time are a bit less extreme but follow the same pattern. While the first part has been clarified already, I think this part merits an additional post.
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What did I miss? It was known (and published in Switzerland's favourite newspaper ) before Christmas that the Bundesrat will get vaccinated and launch the entire campaign with it.

Were they supposed to do it on the telly?
In order to lead their getting the shot needs to be published, you can't lead without making people aware. All 10 need to get vaccinated at the same time, with the press present even if that may make them look less than favourable.

10 because the BundesKanzler(age 57) (chief of staff or something) plus his two deputies (both 52) take part in the council sessions, that's how I remember it (though I wouldn't bet on it). Berset (age 48) is the youngest federal council, Maurer(70) the oldest.

None is old enough to be ordinarily prioritised as for the time being Kanton Bern reserves the vaccinations for people who are at least 75 years old. Thus it must be sold as "taking the lead" in order to avoid making it "jumping the queue" and basically destroy their credibility.
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Old 18.01.2021, 18:33
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In order to lead their getting the shot needs to be published, you can't lead without making people aware. All 10 need to get vaccinated at the same time, with the press present even if that may make them look less than favourable.

10 because the BundesKanzler(age 57) (chief of staff or something) plus his two deputies (both 52) take part in the council sessions, that's how I remember it (though I wouldn't bet on it). Berset (age 48) is the youngest federal council, Maurer(70) the oldest.

None is old enough to be ordinarily prioritised as for the time being Kanton Bern reserves the vaccinations for people who are at least 75 years old. Thus it must be sold as "taking the lead" in order to avoid making it "jumping the queue" and basically destroy their credibility.
It makes total sense to vaccinate them first for two reasons:
1. As a role model, to show that the virus is safe
2. For business continuity, to avoid having the Bundesrat on IC.

And they are highly exposed to the virus too as government leaders typically meet a lot of people.
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Im not really sure it has the basis for doing so. It specifically says that it has not been tested on this group. It has some data sure - but its not a proper clinical trial. There's a very good reason that separate clinical trials are normally required for pregnant women.

I'm very pro-vax, and I probably would say no if I was pregnant. My sister is a hospital worker (part time), lecturer in pharmacy (part time) and 8 months pregnant and has decided to say no until she has given birth.

Its probably no bad thing as that vaccine can go to someone in their 70s instead.
I find it surprising that the HSE's recommendations deviate from that of the NHS. Here's an excerpt from REG 174 INFORMATION FOR UK HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS:

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There is limited experience with use of the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2in pregnant women. Animal studies do not indicate direct or indirect harmful effects with respect to pregnancy, embryo/foetal development, parturition or post-natal development (see section 5.3). Administration of the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 in pregnancy should only be considered when the potential benefits outweigh any potential risks for the mother and foetus.

Breast-feeding
It is unknown whether the COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk.

Fertility
Animal studies do not indicate direct or indirect harmful effects with respect to reproductive toxicity (see section 5.3)
One can only assume that the HSE sees the potential benefits as outweighing the potential risks but quite how that assessment can be made is not clear.
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It makes total sense to vaccinate them first for two reasons:
1. As a role model, to show that the virus is safe
2. For business continuity, to avoid having the Bundesrat on IC.

And they are highly exposed to the virus too as government leaders typically meet a lot of people.
Sure, but then why do it in secret?
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Sure, but then why do it in secret?
Why would you do it on tv?
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Why would you do it on tv?
I didnt mention TV.
However if they claim the role model part, the least they should have done is to be open about it.
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It makes total sense to vaccinate them first for two reasons:
I make no statement to that end, for or against. The article curley linked and that I quoted shows the starting position the council defined themselves some two months ago, you probably want to read it.

It was they who defined as the starting position that they would take the lead and get themselves vaccinated asap by making a public statement. You can't lead from behind or without being vocal about it. And the bestest evidence to silence the conspiracy "theorists" is to have it photographed or filmed by the press.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Well got mail from the GP urging everyone to register for the vaccine even if not in the current takeup group. So I went to register today, only to find that:

https://www.sz.ch/privatpersonen/ges...1712-7591-7622

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Due to technical problems with the online registration platform of the federal government, at the moment no registration is possible. Canton SZ will inform the population once the federal government has resolved the problem.

Are those of you in other cantons affected as well?
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Well got mail from the GP urging everyone to register for the vaccine even if not in the current takeup group. So I went to register today, only to find that:

https://www.sz.ch/privatpersonen/ges...1712-7591-7622

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Due to technical problems with the online registration platform of the federal government, at the moment no registration is possible. Canton SZ will inform the population once the federal government has resolved the problem.

Are those of you in other cantons affected as well?
No way to even register in Kt Zurich. I am on my GP's list, so I'm just waiting.....
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Well got mail from the GP urging everyone to register for the vaccine even if not in the current takeup group. So I went to register today, only to find that:

https://www.sz.ch/privatpersonen/ges...1712-7591-7622

(Roughly translated)

Due to technical problems with the online registration platform of the federal government, at the moment no registration is possible. Canton SZ will inform the population once the federal government has resolved the problem.

Are those of you in other cantons affected as well?
No problems at all registering online in Bern. I find the naming strategy amusing. The tax system here is called TaxMe and the vaccine program is VaxMe.
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FYI, the Schwyz vaccination site is back up and working, follow the link here:
https://www.sz.ch/privatpersonen/ges...1712-7591-7622

Registration is quite simple, takes only a few minutes. You need your mobile phone (to receive a verification code) and insurance card to hand.

I'm not in a risk group, so will be contacted and given an appointment when supplies are available.

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If your canton allows registration even when not in a risk group, please consider doing so as it helps with planning and administration.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Our GP said today she would put OH on list to be vaccinated on or as near as poss to his 75th BD in a few weeks time. Said it would be problably Modena. In Neuchâtel, the site prevents you from booking in until your 75th DB, and the first thing you have to give is your BD- so can't be by-passed.
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...In Neuchâtel, the site prevents you from booking in until your 75th DB, and the first thing you have to give is your BD- so can't be by-passed.
That's a shame. I agree with meloncollie that allowing anyone to register now should help authorities with planning and organizing. Bern lets you register as long as you're over 16 and not currently sick or in quarantine. I think the registration site discourages pregnant or breastfeeding women for now but I am not sure it blocks them entirely.
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