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Yes, definitely 111 55.22%
Not sure. Let's wait and see 31 15.42%
No way. I don't need it 13 6.47%
What vaccine? 1 0.50%
Probably - but not straight away 35 17.41%
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Old 27.11.2020, 11:07
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Those vaccines were taken by our parents & possibly our grandparents so we know they are very safe.
We didn't know that at the time.

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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

I am a bit agnostic on the topic, but for the society "as a whole" it would be worthwhile to think if it is better to spend X chf/usd/gbp/eur to buy the preliminary version of a vaccine, or to spend X in prolonged lockdown& associated ICU costs (and hopeefully more money spent to keep hospital running for "normal" patients).

If spending for the vaccine, the economic benefits will go to some corporations (trickle down to all the employees and stakeholders ... if you believe in the theory).
If spending for the lockdown, money will equally trickle down without benefit for some corporations.

So,
- how many big pharma corporations have fiscal hq in Switzerland ?
- how many Swiss work in the care sector ?
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

As long as I can choose to take the more effective Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, I will be happy to take it as soon as it is available.

I'm not sure I can take this groundhog day existence anymore...
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Old 27.11.2020, 11:27
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EU driving licence photo cards have to be updated every 10-15 years. Not in Switzerland though (which is actually crazy as your appearance changes over time).
UK paper licenses without a photo are still valid.
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As long as I can choose to take the more effective Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, I will be happy to take it as soon as it is available.

I'm not sure I can take this groundhog day existence anymore...
Me too so long as you have a choice of vaccine, then I'm sure we would all be glad to get out of all these lockdowns,
restrictions, facemasks and Curfews.

The only people who will no doubt carry on and object are the anti-vaxers.
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Old 27.11.2020, 11:50
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I am a bit agnostic on the topic, but for the society "as a whole" it would be worthwhile to think if it is better to spend X chf/usd/gbp/eur to buy the preliminary version of a vaccine, or to spend X in prolonged lockdown& associated ICU costs (and hopeefully more money spent to keep hospital running for "normal" patients).
Of course it's always worthwhile to think. Some people already have done just that. And they found out (by applying preschool arithmetic) that vaccinating the whole Switzerland costs a couple of billions at max, which is a rounding error compared to lockdowns.
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Old 27.11.2020, 11:52
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They didn't so lot of people died back than. Not to mention it took decades to develop vaccines not months like now.
Someone explained it on Radio4 the other day- probably for people like you and TC:

A scientist asked his kids how long it took the family to prepare for Christmas.

"At least a couple of months", replied his kids.

"What if mummy and I didn't go to work, didn't do anything else but just spent our waking hours getting ready for Christmas. How long would it take then?" continued the scientist.

"We could easily do it in a week!", replied the kids.

The COVID-19 vaccines development is a bit like that.
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Old 27.11.2020, 11:59
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Someone explained it on Radio4 the other day- probably for people like you and TC:

A scientist asked his kids how long it took the family to prepare for Christmas.

"At least a couple of months", replied his kids.

"What if mummy and I didn't go to work, didn't do anything else but just spent our waking hours getting ready for Christmas. How long would it take then?" continued the scientist.

"We could easily do it in a week!", replied the kids.

The COVID-19 vaccines development is a bit like that.
I guess they never bothered to rush a vaccine for AIDS which is also a pandemic, thats over 40 years of not rushing. Only 25 million dead to date, just 690,000 AIDS deaths in 2019.
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Someone explained it on Radio4 the other day- probably for people like you and TC:

A scientist asked his kids how long it took the family to prepare for Christmas.

"At least a couple of months", replied his kids.

"What if mummy and I didn't go to work, didn't do anything else but just spent our waking hours getting ready for Christmas. How long would it take then?" continued the scientist.

"We could easily do it in a week!", replied the kids.

The COVID-19 vaccines development is a bit like that.
Itís a bit like that but there are things involved in developing a vaccine that just canít be done in a shorter time scale no matter how many people and how much time is spent working on them.
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I guess they never bothered to rush a vaccine for AIDS which is also a pandemic, thats over 40 years of not rushing. Only 25 million dead to date.
It was much easier to avoid getting aids than COVID-19 -- for obvious reasons.

Also, it wasn't a corona virus which, according to what I have heard, vaccine development has been worked on for ages, and is relatively straight-forward.
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I guess they never bothered to rush a vaccine for AIDS which is also a pandemic, thats over 40 years of not rushing. Only 25 million dead to date.
It's like they are different viruses, against one of which human immune system is hopelessly defenseless, so it's not clear if a vaccine is possible even in principle. Or something.
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Old 27.11.2020, 12:07
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Itís a bit like that but there are things involved in developing a vaccine that just canít be done in a shorter time scale no matter how many people and how much time is spent working on them.
That's true of course but we are talking several months here and not a week.

Christmas probably couldn't be done in less than a week anyway as you probably couldn't make, feed (with brandy) and ice a Christmas cake in less than a week.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

I am really interested what will happen to the air travel. I have been thinking since at least half a year that it is possible airlines or countries do not allow people without vaccine (though I guess 2022 as almost impossible to get enough people vaccinated in 2021 and they want to make money).

On the other hand some people may prefer countries and airline companies without these restrictions, while some will prefer those with restrictions. So it may go into the direction of what is more economically viable... But really difficult to predict or even make an estimate.

In the end lots of restrictive scenarios for air travel did not happen. Most don't even do quick tests... (high false negative rate may be a factor)
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I guess they never bothered to rush a vaccine for AIDS which is also a pandemic, thats over 40 years of not rushing. Only 25 million dead to date, just 690,000 AIDS deaths in 2019.
There's no vaccine for the common cold, either. It's not currently possible to create vaccines for every virus. It's not for lack of resources or willpower; AIDS research is one of the best funded areas around.

There hasn't been "over 40 years of not rushing", either. Although HIV is thought to have developed through crossover from SIV in monkeys around 1920, the virus wasn't identified until 1983.
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Every time I read this thread title, I think "Well, no, hopefully not; isn't that the point?"
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It was much easier to avoid getting aids than COVID-19 -- for obvious reasons.

Also, it wasn't a corona virus which, according to what I have heard, vaccine development has been worked on for ages, and is relatively straight-forward.
Plenty got if from blood transfusions, easy to avoid my foot. Half the population was supposed to have died of it by now & it was supposed to be much easier to catch than it is.
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Plenty got if from blood transfusions, easy to avoid my foot. Half the population was supposed to have died of it by now & it was supposed to be much easier to catch than it is.
Before people realised it was passed on in HIV-infected blood.
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It’s a bit like that but there are things involved in developing a vaccine that just can’t be done in a shorter time scale no matter how many people and how much time is spent working on them.
And the pharma industry knows this.

“AstraZeneca to be exempt from coronavirus vaccine liability claims in most countries.

With 25 companies testing their vaccine candidates on humans and getting ready to immunise hundred millions of people once the products are shown to work, the question of who pays for any claims for damages in case of side effects has been a tricky point in supply negotiations.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN24V2EN
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Before people realised it was passed on in HIV-infected blood.
You wrote it was easy for people to avoid it, it wasn't.
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That's true of course but we are talking several months here and not a week.

Christmas probably couldn't be done in less than a week anyway as you probably couldn't make, feed (with brandy) and ice a Christmas cake in less than a week.
Several months is a really short time scale in relation to vaccine development, a lot of people seem to seriously underestimate just how much time and effort is put into developing safe and effective vaccines.

I know we’re in the middle of a pandemic and people are desperate for a return to some form of normality but in my opinion it is far better to put the time and effort in now and have something safe and effective even if it does take a bit longer.

We’re already seeing ‘questionable’ data emerging from the Astra Zeneca camp, we need to be 100% (or close to it) certain of what we’re dealing with before we start rolling out mass vaccination programmes.

I am very much pro vaccine and will get the vaccine but only when I am sure of what I’m getting.

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