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Yes, definitely 164 60.74%
Not sure. Let's wait and see 36 13.33%
No way. I don't need it 17 6.30%
What vaccine? 1 0.37%
Probably - but not straight away 39 14.44%
Only if they make me 13 4.81%
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Yes, Moderna
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Old 01.06.2021, 09:26
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Better late than never, Zug is now offering jabs to the 16+ age group.

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Ticino since last Friday, but only Pfizer is allowed for them, so they had to open a second Pfizer center in Biasca.

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Seems so many people are desperate to make anyone who's worried or anti or even on the fence, out to be somehow stupid.
Anti-vaxxers ARE stupid.

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Anti-vaxxers ARE stupid.

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Finally, something we can agree on.
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And selfish.
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And selfish.
In my area, I know many people my age (55+) who will not get vaccinated. Some are too wary of the side effects (everyone knows someone who.....) and others believe a healthy lifestyle will do the job.

Some have had Covid without any major symptoms and are not afraid of getting it again.

It's tough to convince others to get the vaccination especially since side effects are not uncommon and the future of immunizations are unknown. Once other countries implement a free-entry for vaccinated tourists policy, I think more people will get the vaccine.
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In my area, I know many people my age (55+) who will not get vaccinated. Some are too wary of the side effects (everyone knows someone who.....) and others believe a healthy lifestyle will do the job.

Some have had Covid without any major symptoms and are not afraid of getting it again.

It's tough to convince others to get the vaccination especially since side effects are not uncommon and the future of immunizations are unknown. Once other countries implement a free-entry for vaccinated tourists policy, I think more people will get the vaccine.
All of which are based on sound scientific principles and not on emotions and fears, I'm sure.
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Once other countries implement a free-entry for vaccinated tourists policy, I think more people will get the vaccine.
Our main reason for doing so.

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Why try to tarnish using religion and Trump? How does that affect someones current concerns about things?
It's attitudes like this that worry me. Seems so many people are desperate to make anyone who's worried or anti or even on the fence, out to be somehow stupid.
I never said she was stupid in fact I said she's highly educated.

Being a big Trump advocate often means that person watches a set selection of media outlets which have often been pushing the anti-mask/anti-vax agenda for the last 12 months which can often lead to influencing someone's decision.

Being extremely religious (for example she's a big creationalism advocate rather than evolution) definitely also impacts one's ability to consider other scientific facts as well.
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Old 01.06.2021, 10:07
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Had my Moderna yesterday... didn't even feel the needle go in. I was very impressed how smooth the operation was, the entire thing ran like clockwork.

One thing to note is that you can go earlier than your appointment... they just process you in a queue so I guess the appointment time is just there to ensure there aren't too many people going. When I was there it was not busy at all.

The day after I have a sore muscle in a 10cm radius around the jab but that is to be expected. I also didn't have a great nights sleep..
Maybe you need a new mattress.
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In my area, I know many people my age (55+) who will not get vaccinated. Some are too wary of the side effects (everyone knows someone who.....) and others believe a healthy lifestyle will do the job.
The healthy lifestyle is one of the most popular fallacies. Publich health relies on an invisible 24/7 battle against bacteria and virus.

There's a lot of people we have never met that ensure drinking water comes out of faucets at home. Try drinking water from the river and see if the healthy lifestyle is of any help. A whole lot of other people is in charge of food security. People eats lots of things without thinking about salmonella, e. coli, listeria and other stuff. But sure, the healthy lifestyle is more important than veterinarians fighting against brain eating worms in meat, or people ensuring chicken meat is salmonella free. Our modern houses are warm/cool, dry, well-ventilated and mold free, but sure that 30 min daily walk and eating organic will stop covid19.....from a certain perspective to see how people forgets a significant part of our lives is already about fighting bacteria and virus.
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The healthy lifestyle is one of the most popular fallacies. Publich health relies on an invisible 24/7 battle against bacteria and virus.

There's a lot of people we have never met that ensure drinking water comes out of faucets at home. Try drinking water from the river and see if the healthy lifestyle is of any help. A whole lot of other people is in charge of food security. People eats lots of things without thinking about salmonella, e. coli, listeria and other stuff. But sure, the healthy lifestyle is more important than veterinarians fighting against brain eating worms in meat, or people ensuring chicken meat is salmonella free. Our modern houses are warm/cool, dry, well-ventilated and mold free, but sure that 30 min daily walk and eating organic will stop covid19.....from a certain perspective to see how people forgets a significant part of our lives is already about fighting bacteria and virus.
Or we could just look at the data. If you're healthy then you're far less likely to be affected severely by Covid. Governments would have been better telling people to hit the roadwork which might have actually saved some lives, rather than telling people to wear masks which have more than likely saved none.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covi...-or-obese.html
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Or we could just look at the data. If you're healthy then you're far less likely to be affected severely by Covid. Governments would have been better telling people to hit the roadwork which might have actually saved some lives, rather than telling people to wear masks which have more than likely saved none.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covi...-or-obese.html
Exactly which is why the US got hit hard given their obesity issues.
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Or we could just look at the data. If you're healthy then you're far less likely to be affected severely by Covid. Governments would have been better telling people to hit the roadwork which might have actually saved some lives, rather than telling people to wear masks which have more than likely saved none.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese
Considering that over 40% of adults in the U.S. are overweight or obese, it's not really surprising that a high percentage were hospitalized.

You may find, in India for example, that 95% of hospitalized patients were not overweight or obese.

While it's been shown that being overweight or obese increases your chance of COVID affecting you more severely, cherry-picking statistics to prove your point is a bit tiresome.
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Or we could just look at the data. If you're healthy then you're far less likely to be affected severely by Covid. Governments would have been better telling people to hit the roadwork which might have actually saved some lives, rather than telling people to wear masks which have more than likely saved none.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covi...-or-obese.html
Which is difficult to publicly address in a place where any mention of healthy weight will get you flamed for fat shaming and body image judgment.

I think we should thank the local culture of healthy lifestyle and directness.
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I think we should thank the local culture of healthy lifestyle and directness.
If i could count the number of people here I have met who are complaining about not being able to breathe wearing the masks, I'd like to point out to them (but I don't) that their lungs would function much better, with, or without a mask if they didn't smoke nearly as much as they do.
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We're flying out to Crete later today, and as I was looking for the latest info I was interested to read that the Greek government is intending to "fully vaccinate" all residents of Greek islands by the end of June, in an effort to save the tourist industry. Too late for us, perhaps, but I applaud such a move.

I can't get my head around anyone still suggesting that vaccination isn't the way forward. Continuing to suggest that risks of serious illness are low or insignificant if you're "healthy" completely misses the point - vaccination is not about protection of the individual, but protection of society as a whole.

Meantime we've now got our dates for vaccination appointments rearranged for after we get back from our holiday. The booking system had already sent us dates three times within the period that we'll be away but in each case the option to "reschedule" for after a certain date did not work so we had to cancel, then the next day the system re-issued appointments, in one case actually earlier than the original date. Finally today they seem to have fixed the bug so I managed to get them sorted.
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If i could count the number of people here I have met who are complaining about not being able to breathe wearing the masks, I'd like to point out to them (but I don't) that their lungs would function much better, with, or without a mask if they didn't smoke nearly as much as they do.
I bet they honored the International No Tobacco Day yesterday. https://www.who.int/campaigns/world-no-tobacco-day
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Considering that over 40% of adults in the U.S. are overweight or obese, it's not really surprising that a high percentage were hospitalized.

You may find, in India for example, that 95% of hospitalized patients were not overweight or obese.

While it's been shown that being overweight or obese increases your chance of COVID affecting you more severely, cherry-picking statistics to prove your point is a bit tiresome.
Calling me out for cherrypicking by cherrypicking India isn't a good look. The findings for the overweight being more severely affected have been reported everywhere. India, that doesn't have an obesity problem, and which only spends about 1% GDP on healthcare is way behind us gluttons in the west in the Covid death rate rankings.
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Calling me out for cherrypicking by cherrypicking India isn't a good look. The findings for the overweight being more severely affected have been reported everywhere. India, that doesn't have an obesity problem, and which only spends about 1% GDP on healthcare is way behind us gluttons in the west in the Covid death rate rankings.
You can't change a 'percentage' argument to a 'absolute' argument just like that.

A counter-argument would be to carry on using a 'percentage' argument to show I was wrong.

I didn't actually check the data for India which is why I (carefully) wrote, "You may find...".
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