It's a perfectly valid response to your claim. Cherry-picking describes the practice of finding studies, data or articles that appears to support your pre-conceived ideas while failing to look at anything else, which is what you were doing; highlighting other instances that don't necessarily support them is exactly the opposite of cherry-picking.

Healthy is just no pain or discomfort at the moment and it's a transient condition.

Healthy doesn't mean our antibodies have superpowers. We're as vulnerable to illness as people from the Paleolithic. The difference is that these days we keep causes of illness away: filters, disinfectants, antibiotics, etc. The few things that truly give superpowers to antibodies are vaccines.

Just look at all the dead in Switzerland. 97.5% were 60 years old and older. Lots of them were healthy and their bodies could not defeat the virus anyway. It almost looks like age is more relevant than body fat. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...p-switzerland/

So, anyone below 60 YO talking about healthy lifestyle, is only boasting about their life choices when the cause is just a functional body, genetics, etc. Anyone over 60, thin or fat, healthy or unhealthy, is in trouble.

No, and as a moderator you should be able to tell the difference. The article I posted was clearly an example showing that the overweight and obese (ie unhealthy) have been more severely impacted by Covid. This is well known and has been reported extensively. The exact opposite of cherrypicking.

Quite so, and no-one's disputing that. But for a balanced, non-cherry-picking approach, the meaning of which you don't seem to fully grasp, we need to look at the broader picture, not just one article, as per Tom's reply.

Let me help you prove your point: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw....-19/a-57188697

CZ, high death rate per capita and obesity. Beer link. I am sure they'd argue that it's not gluttony but necessity.

You can tell the body fat by looking at age stats?

Nope, I see age. If anyone could show body fat matters more than age please go ahead. If that were the case, the US or Mexico would have the 1st place in deaths/100K people.

I think that's more driven by age than weight though.

They're not mutually exclusive factors. This is further clouded by the fact the the older people are the more likely they are to be overweight:



77% of people entering critical care in the UK due to Covid were also overweight, but on the face of it age does appear to be the biggest influencing factor.

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/03/04...d-back-better/

But to return to the original point, it is perfectly understandable why people have second thoughts about getting the vaccine. To be both young AND healthy reduces the risk posed by Covid massively. Coupled to that is that one first has to catch Covid (being healthy obviously doesn't help in that department).

Then you have to factor in quality and access of health care available as well.

Of course you do. So you don't know the stats on weight related to death rate. Tony presented stats on weight. I did too. It is a pretty safe bet to say, as a bunch of scientists and media already have, that obesity is a big contributing factor. I haven't read him saying that age is not, maybe I missed it. I think govs couldn't promote healthy weight when people were not allowed to go anywhere really, reduce transport, gyms closed. Most people I know put on covid-kilos, and not just 1 or 2. I do not think that is good, especially for people over 60, as you say. Multifactorial mess.

We can call that cherry picking or, we can be tolerant of other people's opinions.

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There's a big jump from 16-24 YO to older cohorts. But, I see a flatline above 35 years old, between 65-75% of obese+overweight. Where are all the dead from covid19 in the 35-44 years old cohort?

That's the wrong question, you should be asking "what percentage of the Covid deaths of people between 35-44 years old were people who were overweight?"

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/...htm#contribAff

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1...AHA.120.051936

If it's an opinion, then they should make that clearer.

Who's saying that surplus weight isn't a factor?

This is the context of the question you call the right one. Cannot see the bar for 9 and 36 deaths https://www.statista.com/statistics/...p-switzerland/ Check numbers around the world, the trend is about the same.

I'll venture to guess where the difference in opinion comes from. I'm looking at the public health. Other people may be worried about what can be done for their own health. Of course being athletic at 40 will reduce the risk, but the deaths of 40 years old are not relevant for the pandemic.

Is that your opinion?

Yes, I think we have been talking past each other somewhat. I don't dispute that age is likely the most significant factor influencing Covid outcomes. My point was rather that whilst one cannot influence ones age, health is something that in the vast majority of cases can be influenced through lifestyle. Being healthy, or rather, being of a healthy weight, drastically reduces the chances of being severely impacted by Covid.

Ultimately why I got the vaccine, was not because of my own health, nor others around me, but because I see vaccination as the only possible way out of lockdown restrictions. Aside from the first couple of months when it wasn't clear what we faced, I've not since been concerned with catching Covid.

Of course it's my opinion.

You, as a moderator, really ought to know that it's not stated in the forum rules.

That basic sums up you and your cronies.

Not a very Christian attitude is it?

Glad you made that clear.

It is interesting to see that there are older people now in the gym, too.