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Yes, definitely 164 60.74%
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Old 01.06.2021, 13:35
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But to return to the original point, it is perfectly understandable why people have second thoughts about getting the vaccine. To be both young AND healthy reduces the risk posed by Covid massively. Coupled to that is that one first has to catch Covid (being healthy obviously doesn't help in that department).
Chance of getting infected without vaccination is 100%. Especially once restrictions are lifted for good.

I am fine with people making a choice not to get vaccinated. Just don't come crying if that turns out a shitty decision because you get seriously ill, infect someone who for whatever reason was not immune, need to get tested all the time or whatever else.
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Old 01.06.2021, 13:39
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Chance of getting infected without vaccination is 100%. Especially once restrictions are lifted for good.

I am fine with people making a choice not to get vaccinated. Just don't come crying if that turns out a shitty decision because you get seriously ill, infect someone who for whatever reason was not immune, need to get tested all the time or whatever else.
He is vaxed.
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Old 01.06.2021, 13:48
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Ultimately why I got the vaccine, was not because of my own health, nor others around me, but because I see vaccination as the only possible way out of lockdown restrictions. Aside from the first couple of months when it wasn't clear what we faced, I've not since been concerned with catching Covid.
I got the vaccine yesterday and I see it as the equivalent of eating dirt as a crawling baby: getting exposed to pathogens. I may not need it this year, but 30 years down the road it can be pretty helpful.

My idea is more or less of what Berset said last week: all of us will have a date with the virus, it can be either in a vaccine vial or the sneeze of a friend or family member.
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Old 01.06.2021, 13:59
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That basic sums up you and your cronies.

Not a very Christian attitude is it?
Obsessed much? Ironic that those who are happy to deride Christians for allegedly being more reluctant to take Covid vaccines seem equally willing to worship at the altars of mask efficacy, lockdowns and asymptomatic transmission, despite what data and science tells us about them

I'm just not convinced by the argument that my vaccine is going to protect "others around me" when they don't stop transmission completely and the virus anyhow has a 99.8% survival rate*.

*Based on latest estimates
https://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/340124
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Old 01.06.2021, 14:02
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I got the vaccine yesterday and I see it as the equivalent of eating dirt as a crawling baby: getting exposed to pathogens. I may not need it this year, but 30 years down the road it can be pretty helpful.
I'd say the equivalent would be not following the social distancing regulations and being exposed naturally.

It would be really interesting if it were to exist to get the data on whether young people already have "herd immunity".

Is it really true that chances of getting it are 100%? I think not. One can still protect oneself. Not that I'm advocating avoiding vaccination but one can significantly beat the odds by taking precautions.
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Old 01.06.2021, 14:02
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He is vaxed.
I get that. I was speaking in general terms.
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Old 01.06.2021, 14:03
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Forgot in which vaccine thread someone asked about medication in case of pain and fever after the vaccine.

I got this after my first shot of the vaccine yesterday. The translation is more or less: in case of fever, you may take paracetamol 500mg 4 times a day or ibuprofen 400mg 3 times a day, MAXIMUM 1 day. for persistent fever or pain, call your family doctor.



I'm a bit surprised about 500mg paracetamol. I took one of those before physical therapy for my broken arm and I felt nothing after it. Now, 4 of them in 24 hours... I wonder what's the body weight for that dosage.
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Old 01.06.2021, 14:18
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

I had the first one done at Basel Messeplatz 5 days post surgery and 4 days before my 60th. Getting the 2nd one next Mon.

Bit of a strange system of everyone moving forward one seat until you got to the front of the queue. OH was held in the emergency area for 20 mins as a precaution because he's had anaphylactic shock before (he had it a few weeks ago and got carted off from our apartment in an ambulance , the hospital did loads of tests and couldn't find a reason so he's been referred for allergy investigation).

I like the little yellow vaccination passport I got, it felt like a free gift
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Old 01.06.2021, 14:21
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Chance of getting infected without vaccination is 100%. Especially once restrictions are lifted for good.

I am fine with people making a choice not to get vaccinated. Just don't come crying if that turns out a shitty decision because you get seriously ill, infect someone who for whatever reason was not immune, need to get tested all the time or whatever else.
Well - if we keep a high % vaccinated and turn up for the boosters (if required) we might remain at herd immunity. There probably will be some lucky fools out there who are kept safe by the rest of us.
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Old 01.06.2021, 14:26
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Or we could just look at the data.
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CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese
With 73.6% of the grownups being overweight or obese in the US (in 2017-18, so probably higher still today) that's fairly close to what should be expected just from this rate alone.

It seems much more plausible that obesity itself had no effect, only the additional problems it causes. Which is hardly news. Plus the tendency of it being more prevalent in older people, which acts as a pre-selector that makes the group of overweight/obese infected non-representative of the entire grownup population.

Of course being overweight increases the risk to get those problems, that's just not the same as it being the reason for the 5.4% difference above.
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Considering that over 40% of adults in the U.S. are overweight or obese, it's not really surprising that a high percentage were hospitalized.
The ~40% (42.5% in 2017-18) is the rate of obesity among adults in the US. Another 36.1% are "only" overweight.
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Old 01.06.2021, 14:30
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I'm a bit surprised about 500mg paracetamol. I took one of those before physical therapy for my broken arm and I felt nothing after it. Now, 4 of them in 24 hours... I wonder what's the body weight for that dosage.
That's quite a low dose of paracetamol, actually. The "standard" dose of Tylenol in the US is 650mg, and "extra strength" is 1000mg. Both available without prescription.
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Old 01.06.2021, 14:49
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Max dose of paracetamol is 4g/day for adults, not dependent on weight.
Max dose ibuprofen is 1200mg/24 hours.

For severe pain, alternating or combining paracetamol and ibuprofen is often recommended, or there is a med combing 500 mg paracetamol and 150 mg ibuprofen. I think it’s called maxigesic or something in the UK.
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I got the vaccine yesterday and I see it as the equivalent of eating dirt as a crawling baby: getting exposed to pathogens. I may not need it this year, but 30 years down the road it can be pretty helpful.
Or the total opposite considering nobody knows if there will be any long term effects, and if so, what these are.

Mrs and I just canceled our appointments on VERY short notice. We had a lot of second thoughs and were going from YES to NO and vice versa every 5 minutes. We concluded that at the moment we just don't feel comfortable getting the vaccine. Could very well be we will be ready in a couple of months from now.
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Old 01.06.2021, 15:52
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Well - if we keep a high % vaccinated and turn up for the boosters (if required) we might remain at herd immunity. There probably will be some lucky fools out there who are kept safe by the rest of us.
This will become endemic, so will go around like the flu or seasonal colds. It is likely that we will not have equal levels of vaccination across different groups of the population. I would totally expect that the people who choose not to get vaccinated will socialize in groups where this is a common theme - so there will be clusters of new infections especially there.
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Chance of getting infected without vaccination is 100%.
Then why aren't we all infected?

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Old 01.06.2021, 16:00
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Or the total opposite considering nobody knows if there will be any long term effects, and if so, what these are.

Mrs and I just canceled our appointments on VERY short notice. We had a lot of second thoughs and were going from YES to NO and vice versa every 5 minutes. We concluded that at the moment we just don't feel comfortable getting the vaccine. Could very well be we will be ready in a couple of months from now.
Good for you, it's the rest of us who'll take all the risks then.

You "concluded" because there are enough people who have the common sense to get vaccinated. You afford to have second thoughts because or rather, thanks to them.

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Old 01.06.2021, 16:06
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Or the total opposite considering nobody knows if there will be any long term effects, and if so, what these are.

Mrs and I just canceled our appointments on VERY short notice. We had a lot of second thoughs and were going from YES to NO and vice versa every 5 minutes. We concluded that at the moment we just don't feel comfortable getting the vaccine. Could very well be we will be ready in a couple of months from now.
I totally get this. There are long term side effects of some previous vaccines or some people just reacting in a non standard way: anything from MS, ME/FM, RA, other autoimmune, myalgic or neurological side effects, etc. I thought hard especially since I know I am in the "non-standard" group. Either way, the risk is up to everyone to assess and I completely understand if you decided not to yet. Some of my friends haven't registered yet. Not vaxing doesn't translate to deliberately infecting somebody. People isolate.
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Old 01.06.2021, 16:07
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Then why aren't we all infected?

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Good for you, it's the rest of us who'll take all the risks then.

You "concluded" because there are enough people who have the common sense to get vaccinated. You afford to have second thoughts because or rather, thanks to them.

Be kind, love thy neighbour....uhm uhm.
Lisa Shaw, 44 years of age, fit and healthy. With this profile almost no chance of dying from Covid. Killed by a vaccine against a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. This illustrates perfectly why it is immoral and unethical to shame people into taking this vaccine. This is a personal decision.

https://news.sky.com/story/lisa-shaw...ccine-12318667
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

This experiment suggest that herd immunity is something in excess of 75%.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57309538

Some Caveats;
It’s a single study and needs to be duplicated,
The Vaccine is the Chinese, results with other vacinnes likely will be different,
Without compulsion it is unlikely anywhere else would achieve 75%
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