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Then why aren't we all infected?

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Maybe we are, maybe we have been, what that means is one day we will.
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I'm a bit surprised about 500mg paracetamol. I took one of those before physical therapy for my broken arm and I felt nothing after it. Now, 4 of them in 24 hours... I wonder what's the body weight for that dosage.
Yeeeeaah. They don't work like that. They are however an antipyretic (reduces a fever)

I'm more surprised that they suggest ibuprofen.
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Max dose of paracetamol is 4g/day for adults, not dependent on weight.
Max dose ibuprofen is 1200mg/24 hours.

For severe pain, alternating or combining paracetamol and ibuprofen is often recommended, or there is a med combing 500 mg paracetamol and 150 mg ibuprofen. I think itís called maxigesic or something in the UK.
Those are the OTC recommendations. I've had more than that on doctor's orders before.

Combining paracetamol and ibuprofen is very effective but often not suggested.
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Old 01.06.2021, 16:47
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That's quite a low dose of paracetamol, actually. The "standard" dose of Tylenol in the US is 650mg, and "extra strength" is 1000mg. Both available without prescription.
My memories from the broken arm and ensuing physical therapy to recover is that I totaled a car after leaving the clinic and driving home. 500mg of paracetamol was more than enough to alleviate pain and also to impair driving hahaha Maybe the liver and kidneys can process more, but the nervous system is out
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Lisa Shaw, 44 years of age, fit and healthy. With this profile almost no chance of dying from Covid. Killed by a vaccine against a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. This illustrates perfectly why it is immoral and unethical to shame people into taking this vaccine. This is a personal decision.

https://news.sky.com/story/lisa-shaw...ccine-12318667
Had I had been in the UK. I would have postponed vaccination until there was something other than AZ available (i.e. Pfizer or Moderna).

The stats that have been used to convince people to still get vaccinated ("Benefits outway the risks") with AZ vaccine in the UK have been very much biased. I'm a medical statistician and my colleagues think so too. They're willing to sacrifice a number of people for the good of the many when it would be unnecessary given an alternative. I'm happy to have had to wait a bit in Switzerland instead of getting the UK AZ vaccine earlier.
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My memories from the broken arm and ensuing physical therapy to recover is that I totaled a car after leaving the clinic and driving home. 500mg of paracetamol was more than enough to alleviate pain and also to impair driving hahaha Maybe the liver and kidneys can process more, but the nervous system is out
I would suggest that maybe you're confusing it with something else (Tramadol??). Otherwise medical professionals might be interested in you as a medical anomaly.
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Lisa Shaw, 44 years of age, fit and healthy. With this profile almost no chance of dying from Covid. Killed by a vaccine against a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. This illustrates perfectly why it is immoral and unethical to shame people into taking this vaccine. This is a personal decision.

https://news.sky.com/story/lisa-shaw...ccine-12318667
TC, what's up with the AZ vaccine? When did you change from the risk is far outweighed from the reward to unethical to killed by a vaccine against a virus with a 99.8% survival rate?

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The only reason AZ has a poor reputation is through terrible reporting and misinformation spread by certain European politicians and parts of the media. NOWHERE is this founded in truth or science!

This is also the same logic that has been parroted throughout this pandemic and it makes zero sense. NO it wouldn't be OK for someone I know to have blood clots, in the same it wouldn't be OK for someone I know to suffer severely with Covid. The chances this happening is extremely low, the risk is FAR outweighed by the reward.
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My memories from the broken arm and ensuing physical therapy to recover is that I totaled a car after leaving the clinic and driving home. 500mg of paracetamol was more than enough to alleviate pain and also to impair driving hahaha Maybe the liver and kidneys can process more, but the nervous system is out
Are you sure it was just paracetamol ?

That’s a very bizarre, non standard reaction to a low dose of a a standard pain/fever reducing med. Paracetamol doesn’t reduce cognitive ability in general.

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Are you sure it was just paracetamol ?

Thatís a very bizarre, non standard reaction to a low of a a standard pain/fever reducing med. Paracetamol doesnít reduce cognitive ability in general.
It apparently can help with things like emotional distress but no action that would impair someone's ability to drive. Maybe it was paracetamol and codeine - co-codamol or something, which is a different story.
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Old 01.06.2021, 17:13
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Are you sure it was just paracetamol ?

That’s a very bizarre, non standard reaction to a low of a a standard pain/fever reducing med. Paracetamol doesn’t reduce cognitive ability in general.
Maybe baseline cognitive ability was very low even before paracetamol

Beyond self-deprecating humor. I'm getting curious. Based on my experience, I assumed 500 mg is a lot, maybe not. I'm no pharmacologist, but does people generate tolerance to it like any other drug? In normal life I only take paracetamol from NeoCitran, but once every 1-2 years.

By the way, I did not fell asleep. I misjudged the distance to a car in front stopped at a traffic light, got scared, braked and turned the wheel, lost control and hit the corner 30 cm concrete divide separating the incoming traffic. The car bodywork was almost intact, but the two axles changed their position in relation to the chassis, axes almost separated. That was the reason is was assessed as not worth to fix from the money perspective.
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Those are the OTC recommendations. I've had more than that on doctor's orders before.

Combining paracetamol and ibuprofen is very effective but often not suggested.
When I had my knees replaced three years ago, 4g paracetamol/day was the limit my doctor prescribed.

Eleven years ago, I was given an infusion to stimulate bone marrow (neutropenia from chemo). I had waves of bone pain, and my doctor recommended alternating paracetamol and ibuprofen. It worked.

Iíve seen the combination recommended plenty of times for resistant pain and fever.
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Those are the OTC recommendations. I've had more than that on doctor's orders before.

Combining paracetamol and ibuprofen is very effective but often not suggested.
I suppose it depends on the doctor. I'd heard of alternating, but I'd never been prescribed both at the same time until I had surgery a few years ago here in CH.

I left the hospital without any narcotics - just a script to take 500 mg of paracetamol with 400 mg of ibuprofen (and food) every 4-6 hours. It didn't completely eliminate the pain but it was mostly manageable.
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for example she's a big creationalism advocate rather than evolution) definitely also impacts one's ability to consider other scientific facts as well.
I would be interested to learn how she explains virus mutations then. For that is evolution in action.
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I would be interested to learn how she explains virus mutations then. For that is evolution in action.
"He" creates them on the fly
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Max dose of paracetamol is 4g/day for adults, not dependent on weight.
Max dose ibuprofen is 1200mg/24 hours.
Or under doctor's direction, 2400mg/24 hours. But never exceed the max dose of paracetamol - that stuff is dangerous.

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Or the total opposite considering nobody knows if there will be any long term effects, and if so, what these are
This is the case for every single drug/vaccine ever, when it was first released.

Which is why they're carefully monitored and extensively tested. As this one certainly has been now. Nearly 2 billion dose given already. The chances of you catching covid and it causing negative long term effects are much higher than the chances of the vaccine causing you trouble.
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Forgot in which vaccine thread someone asked about medication in case of pain and fever after the vaccine.

I got this after my first shot of the vaccine yesterday. The translation is more or less: in case of fever, you may take paracetamol 500mg 4 times a day or ibuprofen 400mg 3 times a day, MAXIMUM 1 day. for persistent fever or pain, call your family doctor.

I'm a bit surprised about 500mg paracetamol. I took one of those before physical therapy for my broken arm and I felt nothing after it. Now, 4 of them in 24 hours... I wonder what's the body weight for that dosage.
Thanks. It may have been me that had asked (but not sure). 500 mg of paracetamol (Dafalgan) usually works wonders for me, for pain. I almost never have to take 1 mg. at a time. I read before that the way paracetamol works, against pain, is that it cuts off nerve signals to the brain (whereas ibuprofen reduces inflammation). But both reduce fever.

Maybe I should mention this... I was at my Apotheke the other day and mentioned to the woman working there that I get my second dose next week and what meds should I have on hand in case I get side effects. She said Dafalgan is the best one to have on hand and then maybe some Fenistil gel in case I get a mild allergic reaction around the injection site (which didn't happen the first time around, so I doubt it will happen the second time). But I thought I'd mention that -- about the Fenistil gel -- in case anyone experiences that.
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Had I had been in the UK. I would have postponed vaccination until there was something other than AZ available (i.e. Pfizer or Moderna).

The stats that have been used to convince people to still get vaccinated ("Benefits outway the risks") with AZ vaccine in the UK have been very much biased. I'm a medical statistician and my colleagues think so too. They're willing to sacrifice a number of people for the good of the many when it would be unnecessary given an alternative. I'm happy to have had to wait a bit in Switzerland instead of getting the UK AZ vaccine earlier.
You wouldn't take heparin then? "Up to 8% of patients receiving heparin are at risk to develop HIT antibodies, but only 1–5% on heparin will progress to develop HIT with thrombocytopenia and subsequently one-third of them may suffer from arterial and/or venous thrombosis.[1] After vascular surgery, 34% of patients receiving heparin developed HIT antibodies without clinical symptoms.[15] The exact number of cases of HIT in the general population is unknown. What is known is that women receiving heparin after a recent surgical procedure, particularly cardiothoracic surgery, have a higher risk"
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Obsessed much? Ironic that those who are happy to deride Christians for allegedly being more reluctant to take Covid vaccines seem equally willing to worship at the altars of mask efficacy, lockdowns and asymptomatic transmission, despite what data and science tells us about them

I'm just not convinced by the argument that my vaccine is going to protect "others around me" when they don't stop transmission completely and the virus anyhow has a 99.8% survival rate*.

*Based on latest estimates
https://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/340124
https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892.pdf
Two studies from the same highly biased author. The first of these was discussed in the main Covid thread and demolished there, the second offers nothing new.

Meanwhile in Peru, 0.5% of the whole population (yes, 1 in 200 of everyone, regardless of whether they had the virus or not have died from Covid. Worst in Europe is apparently Hungary with 0.3% of the whole population. No extrapolation from dodgy antibody data, of the whole population. These results are coming from a Johns Hopkins study of excess mortality which - as everyone in the area knows - is the only true way of measuring the mortality of such a pandemic.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/peru-re...apita/46666182

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You wouldn't take heparin then?
As was discussed many time before the risk of HIT is much lower with low-molecular-weight heparin, which is mostly prescribed nowadays.
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Had I had been in the UK. I would have postponed vaccination until there was something other than AZ available (i.e. Pfizer or Moderna).
She was over 40 - you don't get to pick and choose in the UK what vaccine you get so you could postpone all you like and you still wouldn't know until you turned up for the appointment and sat down which vaccine it would be. If you're then going to stand up and walk out and re-schedule multiple times until you might get something different then that would be your only option.

Over 40s potentially most likely get the AZ - as I did. The really old folks all got Pfizer early on but it mostly changed to AZ by the time it hit the 50 and 40 year-olds.
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