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Yes, definitely 164 60.74%
Not sure. Let's wait and see 36 13.33%
No way. I don't need it 17 6.30%
What vaccine? 1 0.37%
Probably - but not straight away 39 14.44%
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Sorry lost in copy and paste. Try this:

https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/voll...-seine-grenzen
Perfect, thank you!
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The peer review process imho is was Bit of a waste of time. I had 4 papers published with my PhD supervisor and his mates did the peer review. It's good for picking up minor errors but for whether stuff is accepted or not. Not really a good system
I've never placed too much emphasis on peer review, I only ever emphasize because at the beginning of the pandemic there were those on the forum who felt nothing could ever be cited unless it had undergone the process. Since then though any preprint paper that has an interesting Covid related finding is quoted on mass by the MSM

There's so much politics involved, one only has to read some of the published papers related to climate change, or those published by the big tobacco firms, to realise that peer review doesn't count for an awful lot.
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Old 20.08.2021, 14:14
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I've never placed too much emphasis on peer review, I only ever emphasize because at the beginning of the pandemic there were those on the forum who felt nothing could ever be cited unless it had undergone the process. Since then though any preprint paper that has an interesting Covid related finding is quoted on mass by the MSM

There's so much politics involved, one only has to read some of the published papers related to climate change, or those published by the big tobacco firms, to realise that peer review doesn't count for an awful lot.
And yet you consistently emphasize "peer reviewed" to promote your rhetoric. Come on.
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Old 20.08.2021, 14:19
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And yet you consistently emphasize "peer reviewed" to promote your rhetoric. Come on.
I don't, I just state whether a paper quoted is preprint or peer reviewed as a matter of curtesy.
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Old 20.08.2021, 14:26
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I don't, I just state whether a paper quoted is preprint or peer reviewed as a matter of curtesy.
Sure you do.
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Old 20.08.2021, 14:29
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It seems to be general consensus by now that, given enough time, you get immunised against covid anyway, either by vaccination or by natural infection. The result should be immunisation above herd immunity level, which is expected to be at around, or somewhere above, 75% of any population. That assumes unlimited time, or sufficiently long however long that needs to be.
The spread could be accelerated if masking mandates etc were relaxed. Especially now that all the vulnerable have been immunized, and everybody else has been adequately warned.

Why can't we just have it over and done with?
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The spread could be accelerated if masking mandates etc were relaxed. Especially now that all the vulnerable have been immunized, and everybody else has been adequately warned.

Why can't we just have it over and done with?
I guess here they will wait until cases have peaked and then start to relax mask mandates etc.
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Old 20.08.2021, 15:48
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I guess here they will wait until cases have peaked and then start to relax mask mandates etc.
Are you some sort of an optimist?
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The spread could be accelerated if masking mandates etc were relaxed. Especially now that all the vulnerable have been immunized, and everybody else has been adequately warned.

Why can't we just have it over and done with?

The vulnerable haven't by-and-large been immunised (discounting the wealthy and affluent folks with comorbidities or weakened immune systems). The barriers to access to the injection make it impossible for large groups of society to even have the choice whether they'd like to receive it, or not.


In the voluntary sector, we're campaigning constantly for access barriers to be removed, so that the vulnerable merely have the choice.



I will cheer endlessly for the handling of kids going back to school, as I think the handling of that has been tremendous, but the rollout of the injection has been a disaster and poorly managed to this day.
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Old 20.08.2021, 15:59
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The vulnerable haven't by-and-large been immunised (discounting the wealthy and affluent folks with comorbidities or weakened immune systems). The barriers to access to the injection make it impossible for large groups of society to even have the choice whether they'd like to receive it, or not.

In the voluntary sector, we're campaigning constantly for access barriers to be removed, so that the vulnerable merely have the choice.

I will cheer endlessly for the handling of kids going back to school, as I think the handling of that has been tremendous, but the rollout of the injection has been a disaster and poorly managed to this day.
Are you talking in Switzerland or world wide? The rollout here has been fantastic! If people don't want to get a vaccination then you can't put a gun to their head and make them. Access available for everyone however is undeniable. I was in hospital last week and there was someone standing at the door shouting that a vaccine could be done on the spot to anyone who wanted one.
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Old 20.08.2021, 16:06
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Are you talking in Switzerland or world wide? The rollout here has been fantastic! If people don't want to get a vaccination then you can't put a gun to their head and make them. Access available for everyone however is undeniable. I was in hospital last week and there was someone standing at the door shouting that a vaccine could be done on the spot to anyone who wanted one.

Switzerland, and, whilst I understand this myth keeps being perpetuated, it remains a myth, because access barriers have been put in place illogically. Many of our most vulnerable citizens don't even have the option. If only we were as far as them being able to choose, and choosing to not. That'd be a dream at this stage.
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Old 20.08.2021, 16:12
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Switzerland, and, whilst I understand this myth keeps being perpetuated, it remains a myth, because access barriers have been put in place illogically. Many of our most vulnerable citizens don't even have the option. If only we were as far as them being able to choose, and choosing to not. That'd be a dream at this stage.
I don't understand quite what your point is? In Switzerland, everyone has access to a vaccine, vulnerable people were put at the top of this list when the rollout began. Anyone can walk up and get a vaccine. What barriers are you talking about?
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Old 20.08.2021, 16:12
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Switzerland, and, whilst I understand this myth keeps being perpetuated, it remains a myth, because access barriers have been put in place illogically. Many of our most vulnerable citizens don't even have the option. If only we were as far as them being able to choose, and choosing to not. That'd be a dream at this stage.
Care to give some details? I'm curious about what are the current access barriers to get a vaccine in Switzerland.

The only ones I knew about were residence in the canton and age. But that ended like 2 months ago. What are the current limits to get a vaccine? Who are the vulnerable citizens?
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I don't understand quite what your point is? In Switzerland, everyone has access to a vaccine, vulnerable people were put at the top of this list when the rollout began. Anyone can walk up and get a vaccine. What barriers are you talking about?

You're repeating a mantra, but not providing anything factual, and I'm telling you of direct experiences of supporting vulnerable people in the voluntary sector.


Go through the steps and documentation required to both register for a COVID vaccination, and to access a COVID vaccination, and then look for the gaps (unfortunately, huge groups of our citizens are already ruled out at the registration stage).
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You're repeating a mantra, but not providing anything factual, and I'm telling you of direct experiences of supporting vulnerable people in the voluntary sector.


Go through the steps and documentation required to both register for a COVID vaccination, and to access a COVID vaccination, and then look for the gaps (unfortunately, huge groups of our citizens are already ruled out at the registration stage).
Do you mean citizens resident outside Switzerland? Children? They are the only gaps that come to mind.
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Old 20.08.2021, 16:23
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You're repeating a mantra, but not providing anything factual, and I'm telling you of direct experiences of supporting vulnerable people in the voluntary sector.


Go through the steps and documentation required to both register for a COVID vaccination, and to access a COVID vaccination, and then look for the gaps (unfortunately, huge groups of our citizens are already ruled out at the registration stage).
Give examples then! Unless they aren't residents, children or have medical reasons not to get the vaccine, I can't imagine who these huge groups are.
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...... I was in hospital last week and there was someone standing at the door shouting that a vaccine could be done on the spot to anyone who wanted one.


I was just imagining that and it made me think of these German market criers.
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You're repeating a mantra, but not providing anything factual, and I'm telling you of direct experiences of supporting vulnerable people in the voluntary sector.

Go through the steps and documentation required to both register for a COVID vaccination, and to access a COVID vaccination, and then look for the gaps (unfortunately, huge groups of our citizens are already ruled out at the registration stage).
Since some weeks ago you don't need to register, just show up at the vaccination place. Or, is this ohne Termin thing only happening in Aargau? https://www.ag.ch/de/themen_1/corona...fzentren_1.jsp

So, what are the access gaps? Consider badly integrated foreigners with low or borderline zero knowledge of local language were already able to get the vaccine.
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Old 20.08.2021, 16:29
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Give examples then! Unless they aren't residents, children or have medical reasons not to get the vaccine, I can't imagine who these huge groups are.
Why do you exclude children? My children (except the youngest) have been vaccinated.
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Do you mean citizens resident outside Switzerland? Children? They are the only gaps that come to mind.

-The immobile, existing in our society without support
-Those who don't know how to use gadgets at all, or only know how to send text messages on them
-Those who can't get time off work to go to a testing centre
-The illiterate, existing in our society without support
-The mentally unwell, existing in our society without support
-Those without internet access, existing in our society without support
-The homeless (we've had minor bumps of success with getting access for some in a few cantons, but by-and-large have been unsuccessful thus far)
-Sans Papiers (we've had minor bumps of success with getting access for some in a few cantons, but by-and-large have been unsuccessful thus far)
-Working poor without health insurance
-Those who are afraid they will receive a bill for any test and injection, that they cannot afford, and don't have the linguistic ability, nor support, to be able to check if that's true
-Those without the linguistic ability, who are dependent upon vitamin b for official info, and are being misinformed


I could go on.
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