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Yes, definitely 164 60.74%
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https://www.blick.ch/schweiz/bezug-z...d16770865.html

Listening to the video interviewing a doctor in Spital Schwyz. The ICU is full of Covid patients again. According to him, all the patients have not been vaccinated.

Good reason to get the vaccination!
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Listening to the video interviewing a doctor in Spital Schwyz. The ICU is full of Covid patients again. According to him, all the patients have not been vaccinated.

Good reason to get the vaccination!
A very sobering interview.

That non-COVID treatments are having to be postponed is worrying.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

When I was vaccinated the doctor (assume it was a doctor with the needle, maybe not) offered to speak in my native language if I preferred. Wonder what country can on compete with that in terms of accessibility?
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Old 22.08.2021, 13:54
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The majority of the covid patients in hospitals has a migration background, accourding to 20min
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Listening to the video interviewing a doctor in Spital Schwyz. The ICU is full of Covid patients again. According to him, all the patients have not been vaccinated.

Good reason to get the vaccination!

No reason to choose to receive the injection at all.


Nobody should base their choice in either direction on inflammatory claims like this, designed to sway people to your opinion on hyperbole alone, but not fact.


We have no clue if COVID, or the injection, played a part in any such patient's death, or any such patient's illness, as we're not privy to their medical history.


Rarely is 1 condition responsible in an illness, nor a death. Often, there are comorbidities at play, or weakened immune systems, or environmental factors, or negligence, or any number of other things. No doctor would volley such an opinion as you're volleying, without access to a full medical history of such a person. People train for years to be able to guide others medically.



Please try to learn to accept the medical reality as things stand now, that it's fine for 1 person to choose to receive the injection, and another to want to wait for more data and studies on it, and to then decide.


Be happy with your own choice, Be happy you were able to choose. Many citizens can't. Why not focus your energy on the access problem, so more people stand a chance to be as lucky as you to have a choice?

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Old 22.08.2021, 15:09
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Be happy with your own choice, Be happy you were able to choose. Many citizens can't. Why not focus your energy on the access problem, so more people stand a chance to be as lucky as you to have a choice?
What's the 'access problem'?
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What's the 'access problem'?

See previous posts on this very thread, where multiple issues are listed, and I could list more.
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Old 22.08.2021, 15:31
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Nobody should base their choice in either direction on inflammatory claims like this, designed to sway people to your opinion on hyperbole alone, but not fact.
One can hardly claim a doctor stating factual evidence of what is presently happening in the ICU as inflammatory.
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One can hardly claim a doctor stating factual evidence of what is presently happening in the ICU as inflammatory.

That feels needlessly disingenuous from you, mindful that has nothing to do with what I posted, and feels like you're hoping others won't check what I posted, but will support you just based on what you're alluding to me posting. Your post is the problem, pertaining to inflammatory content.


As I mentioned already, it's irresponsible to post what you're posting, because it's not rooted in facts. Hyperbole serves no purpose here. It doesn't help in any direction.



As things stand now, mindful of how new these vaccines are:
It's fine for a person to choose to receive the vaccine
It's fine for a person to choose to wait and see, whilst more data is gathered and studies are conducted, and then to think about whether they feel more comfortable in choosing to receive it


Extremism on either side is unhelpful, and promotes fear, the last thing we want to encourage. We want people to make comfortable choices, as it pertains to their health.


Focus all this posting time and energy on helping to solve a real problem - access to even have the choice of whether to receive the injection.
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Old 22.08.2021, 15:45
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One can hardly claim a doctor stating factual evidence of what is presently happening in the ICU as inflammatory.
Apparently, that's the "thing" now. Whenever someone sees something that they don't like or don't want to be true, they instinctively label it as "inflammatory" in an attempt to negate its validity.
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Old 22.08.2021, 15:50
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Apparently, that's the "thing" now. Whenever someone sees something that they don't like or don't want to be true, they instinctively label it as "inflammatory" in an attempt to negate its validity.

As I predicted above, a lack of checking before taking Olygirl's claim at face value...

Olygirl's post is disingenuous - I didn't post what she claimed, which you could have seen, if you'd have checked. She claimed it to try to "win", but not to participate in a discussion on this important topic, based on fairly representing the views of others.
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Old 22.08.2021, 15:57
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As I predicted above, a lack of checking before taking Olygirl's claim at face value...

Olygirl's post is disingenuous - I didn't post what she claimed, which you could have seen, if you'd have checked. She claimed it to try to "win", but not to participate in a discussion on this important topic, based on fairly representing the views of others.
CliiniMuus, I don't understand your arguments or what they are alluding to. I simply posted a link with a doctor in a nearby hospital who was stating the ICU was full of unvaccinated patients and mentioned this would be a good reason to get a vaccination.

I felt his statement had validity and credibility. Of course, it's just one source but it's a source that has significance in my life due to its location.

I feel there is nothing disingenuous about that.

Edit: When it comes to Covid, nobody is winning so far... except for the virus.
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CliiniMuus, I don't understand your arguments or what they are alluding to. I simply posted a link with a doctor in a nearby hospital who was stating the ICU was full of unvaccinated patients and mentioned this would be a good reason to get a vaccination.

I felt his statement had validity and credibility. Of course, it's just one source but it's a source that has significance in my life due to its location.

I feel there is nothing disingenuous about that.

Disingenuous pertains to how you represented my post.


This from your post is irresponsible "Good reason to get the vaccination!", as there was no factual basis for you to post that - it isn't a good reason to undergo a medical procedure, as we have no idea of the medical history of anyone in the hospital. We have no clue of the in/significance of COVID in their current health prognosis or their death. Nor do you.


Again, extremism on either side is unhelpful. It's entirely fine for someone to decide they want the injection. It's entirely fine for someone else to decide to wait and see, as more data and studies exist, that may make them feel ready to decide, since this is all very new, and no long-term evidence exists.
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Old 22.08.2021, 16:09
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Listening to the video interviewing a doctor in Spital Schwyz. The ICU is full of Covid patients again. According to him, all the patients have not been vaccinated. Good reason to get the vaccination!
: so convincing

So here we have an article and a little video where the accent is put on "oh these swiss citizens but of eastern european origin who went back to the balkans for holidays cought the virus and brought it here in CH and they're ill and now need intensive care" .

I'm not sure if some of you here are aware but this is one of those journalism articles that are crafted in a way to trigger a response/reaction. The facts put forward seem so logical and while they talk that one ill person in the background is supposed to send you signals so you feel how "yes vaccination is the solution" and some hate addressed to those who didnt vax "those horrible people going around bringing here the virus". Which of course is hard to believe it is true.

The reason why this information smells like rather creative than factual..is because it is very repetetive and always in a unique sens lacking essential elements.

How come in none of these videos,articles we hear the doctor explaining how the patient got ill, their symptoms, the time from when they could still walk and talk to feeling terribly ill.. 5days? 3weeks? did the patient go to the GP first? what did they do,.. did he get only aspirin? were there first headaches, then sore throat or just temperature and shortness of breath?

Then if the doctor has 10 people in that unit why is he not saying something like "well, most of them were just having a cold but they fell worse and worse or some of them it's this the others that.." "I advice people to do take these steps once they feel ill" "or watch out for that" because after all this killer virus has still the 99% survival rate .. which means it is totally possible to treat and acquire long immunity.
If they dont change that in the med text books and just insert "well vaccines offer better immunity, 1 shot is great but 2shots better and 3rd is even greater and 4,5 shot will be just marvellous to keep you safe and healthy) ))
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Nobody should base their choice in either direction on inflammatory claims like this, designed to sway people to your opinion on hyperbole alone, but not fact.

We have no clue if COVID, or the injection, played a part in any such patient's death, or any such patient's illness, as we're not privy to their medical history.
You're delusional.
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Old 22.08.2021, 16:36
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: so convincing

So here we have an article and a little video where the accent is put on "oh these swiss citizens but of eastern european origin who went back to the balkans for holidays cought the virus and brought it here in CH and they're ill and now need intensive care" .
The video doesn't refer to the Balkans but the doctor does mention that the patients had stated regret not getting the vaccination.

No one is claiming that the video is a careful study that assesses all the variables. It's just one doctor (who I happen to remember from 23 years ago when I was a patient there) and his quick assessment of what was happening in Spital Schwyz. I, personally, found it informative.
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Disingenuous pertains to how you represented my post.


This from your post is irresponsible "Good reason to get the vaccination!", as there was no factual basis for you to post that - it isn't a good reason to undergo a medical procedure, as we have no idea of the medical history of anyone in the hospital. We have no clue of the in/significance of COVID in their current health prognosis or their death. Nor do you.


Again, extremism on either side is unhelpful. It's entirely fine for someone to decide they want the injection. It's entirely fine for someone else to decide to wait and see, as more data and studies exist, that may make them feel ready to decide, since this is all very new, and no long-term evidence exists.
I'm finally beginning to understand what you're trying to say but your narrative is quite aggressive and thus, unhelpful.

If you had simply said, "It's important to note that the video was of one doctor's brief assessment of a situation in a local hospital and not a comprehensive study of the current situation so conclusions may be misleading," I would have understood that. Unfortunately, I was dished out a word salad where the meaning got lost in translation.
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I'm finally beginning to understand what you're trying to say but your narrative is quite aggressive and thus, unhelpful.

If you had simply said, "It's important to note that the video was of one doctor's brief assessment of a situation in a local hospital and not a comprehensive study of the current situation so conclusions may be misleading," I would have understood that. Unfortunately, I was dished out a word salad where the meaning got lost in translation.

You're posting dangerous misinformation. Again, the problem is your post.
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Old 22.08.2021, 17:16
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olygirl I understand what you mean .. This is what I was talking about : a doctor receives a TV crew in order to show us a covid case.
The thing is we dont know what else was he saying how much was it cut off and also what really would he give us as an advice if he can.

Another thing, you say how the video does not refer to the Balkans then how come they chose to do this layout.. when you open the page there's 3 to 5 times (as we scroll down) the word Balkans mentioned in the text ?? and somewhere in the middle there's the video. ??

Do they do this on purpose? is it suggestive? why are they doing it ? these are the questions I'm asking myself when I see this...

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Old 22.08.2021, 17:32
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I want to get vaccine in Swiss for free, but I don't have insurance nor permit. What are my options ?
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