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Yes, definitely 163 60.59%
Not sure. Let's wait and see 36 13.38%
No way. I don't need it 17 6.32%
What vaccine? 1 0.37%
Probably - but not straight away 39 14.50%
Only if they make me 13 4.83%
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And the pharma industry knows this.

“AstraZeneca to be exempt from coronavirus vaccine liability claims in most countries.

With 25 companies testing their vaccine candidates on humans and getting ready to immunise hundred millions of people once the products are shown to work, the question of who pays for any claims for damages in case of side effects has been a tricky point in supply negotiations.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN24V2EN
Thats easy, the taxpayer so you & me.
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I am really interested what will happen to the air travel. I have been thinking since at least half a year that it is possible airlines or countries do not allow people without vaccine (though I guess 2022 as almost impossible to get enough people vaccinated in 2021 and they want to make money).

On the other hand some people may prefer countries and airline companies without these restrictions, while some will prefer those with restrictions. So it may go into the direction of what is more economically viable... But really difficult to predict or even make an estimate.

In the end lots of restrictive scenarios for air travel did not happen. Most don't even do quick tests... (high false negative rate may be a factor)
I plan to take my passport to the vaccination to get the sticker off the file and the doctor’s stamp in there with date...
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I will definitely get it since surviving Covid once apparently doesn't provide sufficient immunization and may be caught again (I got it at the hospital a month back, luckily I was mostly asymptomatic).
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Thats easy, the taxpayer so you & me.
Since when do you pay tax? 😂
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

No intention of it, advances in testing and treatment medication will be enough for me. In the end it will be no different to flu vaccine that getting the vaccine will not ensure you don’t get Covid and it will continue to mutate in any event.
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Since when do you pay tax? 😂
Haha, I paid another €1500 this morning.
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I think what you will see is that governments will require nationals of third countries be vaccinated before coming to their country. For CH this will be done through Schengen.
No general border checks for people therefore no way to enforce such a rule within Schengen. With a no-deal Brexit the UK will probably be completely out, so that border may turn out to be a different story.
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I guess they never bothered to rush a vaccine for AIDS which is also a pandemic, thats over 40 years of not rushing. Only 25 million dead to date, just 690,000 AIDS deaths in 2019.
HIV/AIDS is non-lethal, people don't die from the infection. Thus the virus really is no problem at all (*).

Not sure about you, but that's the pseudo-logic TC and V peddle about covid.



(*) It's "only" the secondary opportunistic infections that kill.
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As long as I can choose to take the more effective Pfizer and Moderna vaccine, I will be happy to take it as soon as it is available.
Forgive me Susie-Q, but I think this anti-AstraZeneca attitude is getting way out of hand and seems to be based on little more than journalists reproducing each other's speculative Twitter messages. The company's initial findings were not communicated as clearly as they should have been, it's quite true, with the two trials (1: half-dose + full dose, and 2: full dose taken twice) being combined. That was then clarified, with the half dose + full dose shown to be 90% effective.

As with Pfizer and Moderna, ALL these trials are pretty limited in the numbers of participants and timescale, and we are in absolutely no position (particularly as non-experts) to pronounce that certain vaccines are "more effective". But social media loves a conspiracy.

All that said, I'm still happy to take the vaccine. By the time it gets round to my turn -- probably several months away at least, we will have learnt more. But for the moment, let's just wait and see if the many additional trials being carried out for all the potential vaccines, continue to produce good results.

It's far too early to be dishing out one-star reviews to any particular vaccine.
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Old 27.11.2020, 14:40
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

These forum polls do seem to be awfully accurate

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Are UK Doctors Sceptical of COVID-19 Vaccine?

A Medscape UK reader poll of 308 UK doctors found 4 in 10 would not have a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as one is approved by the MHRA.
Online polling took place 18-23 November after the positive Pfizer/BioNTech results but with most responses received before the positive news about the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine.

Safety Concerns
Of those who wouldn't have the jab at this stage:
• 56% cited safety concerns
• 27% would rather wait
• 7% mentioned personal health reasons
• 14% had other reasons

Overall, 59% said vaccination for healthcare staff should not be compulsory. Among those who wouldn’t have the jab at this stage, 9 out of 10 were against compulsory staff vaccination.

Herd Immunity
Vaccination rates against SARS-CoV-2 of around 60-72% are thought to be needed to make it effective, according to a recent Lancet article.
Polling by Kantar of 1000 people carried out 10-11 November found 76% of people in Britain would have a vaccine for COVID-19.
That's fallen since June when 78% said they would be vaccinated.
In these latest results, 53% were worried about safety and the speed of development.
However, 57% were confident that a vaccine will not be dangerous if it is proposed by public authorities.
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/941492
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Old 27.11.2020, 14:46
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These forum polls do seem to be awfully accurate



https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/941492
My niece in the UK works as a high up administrator on Psychiatry at the NHS. She will be trained to administer Corona vaccinations. She is required to be vaccinated herself first - she is delighted to help...
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A Medscape UK reader poll of 308 UK doctors found 4 in 10 would not have a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as one is approved by the MHRA.
I wonder what the feeling would be if they'd presented the very same information in a slightly different way:
"A Medscape UK reader poll of 308 UK doctors found that 6 in 10 would have a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as one is approved by the MHRA."
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Several months is a really short time scale in relation to vaccine development, a lot of people seem to seriously underestimate just how much time and effort is put into developing safe and effective vaccines.
True, but the tools available now are much more advanced then they were even twenty years ago.
For example, the Chinese published the genetic code of the vaccine way back in January.

Vaccines are not created (or don't need to be) in the same way as they used to.

My wife works in drug approvals so if I ever misunderstand any of this crisis, I soon get put straight!
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How long is the RNA of the RNA vaccine stable for once injected?
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Someone explained it on Radio4 the other day- probably for people like you and TC:

A scientist asked his kids how long it took the family to prepare for Christmas.

"At least a couple of months", replied his kids.

"What if mummy and I didn't go to work, didn't do anything else but just spent our waking hours getting ready for Christmas. How long would it take then?" continued the scientist.

"We could easily do it in a week!", replied the kids.

The COVID-19 vaccines development is a bit like that.
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I guess they never bothered to rush a vaccine for AIDS which is also a pandemic, thats over 40 years of not rushing.
It's not for want of trying, nor was there not considered a rush when the disease first started to surface.

In fact, very many potential treatments were rushed through a fast-tracked development, testing and approval process in record time, making AIDS the manageable disease that it is today rather than the killer it was in its early years.

HIV is an entirely different sort of virus from the SARS family, and in the latter case vaccines already exist for many strains, so vaccine development is within a known set of parameters. Sadly, all efforts to produce an effective HIV vaccine have so far failed.
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Forgive me Susie-Q, but I think this anti-AstraZeneca attitude is getting way out of hand and seems to be based on little more than journalists reproducing each other's speculative Twitter messages. The company's initial findings were not communicated as clearly as they should have been, it's quite true, with the two trials (1: half-dose + full dose, and 2: full dose taken twice) being combined. That was then clarified, with the half dose + full dose shown to be 90% effective.
No problem at all... the Moderna vaccine is supposedly 95 percent effective. As someone who is at risk, I would prefer to have the most protection possible. We do need to see more information and only time will tell.

Also, I've read a few articles from test subjects and they recommend to take the day off after a vaccine as it is quite like having a hangover. I didn't take today off, but glad I'm working from home.
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True, but the tools available now are much more advanced then they were even twenty years ago.
For example, the Chinese published the genetic code of the vaccine way back in January.

Vaccines are not created (or don't need to be) in the same way as they used to.

My wife works in drug approvals so if I ever misunderstand any of this crisis, I soon get put straight!
The tools may well be much more advanced and we can find out things much quicker these days but we can’t speed everything up.

The Chinese published the genetic code for the virus back in January, if they already had a vaccine back then we wouldn’t have been where we are today. It has already taken much longer to get to a potentially viable vaccine than was being predicted when they released that information.

Having worked in vaccine research I am well aware of the different methods of creating vaccines and the hoops that they need to jump through to get approval.
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Having worked in vaccine research I am well aware of the different methods of creating vaccines and the hoops that they need to jump through to get approval.
So due you think they are all rushing it and we should wait?
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How long is the RNA of the RNA vaccine stable for once injected?
Not very long. IIRC from a podcast the other day it's a day or 2...something of that order. Long enough to do its job but it's not likely to hang about and mess up your genes.
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Forgive me Susie-Q, but I think this anti-AstraZeneca attitude is getting way out of hand and seems to be based on little more than journalists reproducing each other's speculative Twitter messages. The company's initial findings were not communicated as clearly as they should have been, it's quite true, with the two trials (1: half-dose + full dose, and 2: full dose taken twice) being combined. That was then clarified, with the half dose + full dose shown to be 90% effective.

As with Pfizer and Moderna, ALL these trials are pretty limited in the numbers of participants and timescale, and we are in absolutely no position (particularly as non-experts) to pronounce that certain vaccines are "more effective". But social media loves a conspiracy.

All that said, I'm still happy to take the vaccine. By the time it gets round to my turn -- probably several months away at least, we will have learnt more. But for the moment, let's just wait and see if the many additional trials being carried out for all the potential vaccines, continue to produce good results.

It's far too early to be dishing out one-star reviews to any particular vaccine.
I want to see the numbers myself. Its a sub-sample, and im particularly interested in statistical significance.

If offered the AZ vaccine, and im happy that the results are statistically significant such that there is confidence that the vaccine is actually 90% effective, not 70% i will take it. If I'm not, I won't and will hold out for an efficacious vaccine.

I've seen lots of dosing data in my time that's of questionable significance.
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... they recommend to take the day off after a vaccine as it is quite like having a hangover....
Pretty much a normal day for me then....
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