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Yes, definitely 164 60.74%
Not sure. Let's wait and see 36 13.33%
No way. I don't need it 17 6.30%
What vaccine? 1 0.37%
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Old 03.09.2021, 14:12
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Because making up your own mind has gone out of style. And taking the responsibility for your decisions seems something loads of people just love to pass on to the goverments, who they then bash for the result.
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You do talk load of sh1t (most of the time) but this is on par with Svenca's posts.

You keep banging on about self-responsibility when you actually mean something else.

If, for example, you had cancer, would you tell the oncologist that you, yourself are going to decide the course of treatment - which chemo drugs to take in what quantities and so on?

It's fine when you (that's you rather than one) have told us that you take responsibility for smoking and it's your decision but when your actions impinge on others (being against MMR type vaccinations, for example) then that's not self-responsibility, that's selfishness.

Making your own mind up has not gone out of style but it seems morals have.
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Old 03.09.2021, 14:17
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If, for example, you had cancer, would you tell the oncologist that you, yourself are going to decide the course of treatment - which chemo drugs to take in what quantities and so on?
Typically that is what does happen. The oncologist might suggest a treatment or several possible treatments and explain the pros and cons to you. But its ultimately your decision. If you don't like any of the options, you can go and find another oncologist.

The expertise of the oncologist does not override your right to self determination.
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Typically that is what does happen. The oncologist might suggest a treatment or several possible treatments and explain the pros and cons to you. But its ultimately your decision. If you don't like any of the options, you can go and find another oncologist.

The expertise of the oncologist does not override your right to self determination.

Not to mention, any comparison like this is designed purely to stir extreme emotions and further division. This situation is in no way comparible with vaccinations with years, if not decades, of data and studies to support their significance. Neither is it comparible with cancer evidently.


There's an element of clutching at straws, and needing to be seen to "win" regardless of the lack of commitment to a decent and fair discussion, when the the posts descend into such illogical comparisons.


This black and white thinking does humans a great disservice. Most people I chat to who don't yet feel comfortable with receiving the COVID vaccination are otherwise vaccinated (and strong proponents of vaccinations with years of data and studies to support them being important as a tool in community health).
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Old 03.09.2021, 18:03
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Not to mention, any comparison like this is designed purely to stir extreme emotions and further division. This situation is in no way comparible with vaccinations with years, if not decades, of data and studies to support their significance. Neither is it comparible with cancer evidently.

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I was trying to simplify it. Of course it's not like cancer. It's an analogy.

No need for further division - that's not possible - if someone on this forum whom many people have thanked for her posts (fduvall, FairDinkum, amogles, to name a few) says the whole thing is a conspiracy and the virus doesn't exist - whatever anyone else says can't move them further along that path.
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This black and white thinking does humans a great disservice. Most people I chat to who don't yet feel comfortable with receiving the COVID vaccination are otherwise vaccinated (and strong proponents of vaccinations with years of data and studies to support them being important as a tool in community health).
Vaccine research has been going on for hundreds of years. These COVID vaccines did not happen overnight - the background work was already done.
Computer modelling has also sped up the process too.

Most people I chat with have been happy to be vaccinated. It's just a shame it wasn't possible to vaccinate everyone earlier before the various mutations occurred which are much worse in transmission.

I guess we must mix in different circles.
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Old 13.09.2021, 10:03
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Canton VD is ramping up in preparation for a vaccine drive beginning January 5. GHOL for example is targeting 150 vaccinations a day which translates to one every 4 minutes - meaning it must be boosters

I suspect there will be a booster drive coupled with updated evidence/data to support the approach with COVID certificates approaching a year since first issue
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Old 15.09.2021, 12:44
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Conservative radio host Pastor Robert "Bob" Enyart who died this week is one of several conservative radio hosts who passed away recently from Covid-19 complications after complaining about masks and expressing skepticism about vaccines.
Dick Farrel, a Florida-based talk radio host, passed away from the coronavirus in August, as did Nashville-based host Phil Valentine, who 65 when he died.
Marc Bernier, another Florida-based conservative radio host and an outspoken opponent of masking and vaccines, also died of Covid-19 last month.
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Live by the sword, die by the sword!

Why do you delight in hearing of the death or serious illness of people with different opinions to your own? NB this is not a COVID question, this is asking why you're gleeful when you hear that your life's going better than someone else's.
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Old 15.09.2021, 13:16
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Canton VD is ramping up in preparation for a vaccine drive beginning January 5. GHOL for example is targeting 150 vaccinations a day which translates to one every 4 minutes - meaning it must be boosters

I suspect there will be a booster drive coupled with updated evidence/data to support the approach with COVID certificates approaching a year since first issue

Jebus! I can't go through this all over again! I really suffered after the second dose. So will avoid the third one as long as possible.
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Old 15.09.2021, 13:16
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Many people wish to wait for a vaccine that is not based on mRNA. Looking at the statistics this is not unreasable.
Australias adverse reaction data.
https://uap-media.com.au/tga-full-re...ts-and-deaths/
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Many people wish to wait for a vaccine that is not based on mRNA. Looking at the statistics this is not unreasable.
Australias adverse reaction data.
https://uap-media.com.au/tga-full-re...ts-and-deaths/
a) that's all temporally related conditions, not necessarily caused by the vaccine
b) it includes AZ which is not mRNA
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Old 15.09.2021, 13:30
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Hickvonfrick, the problem is in the spike protein.

In viral vector vaccines (AstraZeneca, Sputnik, Johnson & Johnson) the gene for the spike protein is introduced into an adenovirus.

After the vaccination, the modified adenovirus will infect cells of the host, which will start to produce the spike protein, causing an immune response.

in the RNA vaccines (Pfizr, Moderna) they only introduce messenger RNA for the spike protein into host cells, which the messenger RNA uses to produce spike protein.
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Old 15.09.2021, 14:03
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Why do you delight in hearing of the death or serious illness of people with different opinions to your own? NB this is not a COVID question, this is asking why you're gleeful when you hear that your life's going better than someone else's.
Because they are no longer able to influence people to make false life or death decisions and so hopefully saving many lives.
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Because they are no longer able to influence people to make false life or death decisions and so hopefully saving many lives.

You haven't answered my question. Try again please.
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Old 15.09.2021, 15:09
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I suspect there will be a booster drive coupled with updated evidence/data to support the approach with COVID certificates approaching a year since first issue
hang on there?

so they are building policy on research they haven't done yet?
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Old 15.09.2021, 15:10
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Because they are no longer able to influence people to make false life or death decisions and so hopefully saving many lives.
well, maybe less than 1% of them.

but go on, party over their deaths.
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well, maybe less than 1% of them.

but go on, party over their deaths.
I'm cool when any public figure with a wide audience, who spreads COVID misinformation that risks thousands of lives, dies of COVID. It's probably, and of course ironically, the best message they can impart to their audience.
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Old 15.09.2021, 16:12
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hang on there?

so they are building policy on research they haven't done yet?
You are getting confused, you already answered your own question or was your answer incorrect? Surely not!

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strange that, seeing for the vaxxed they know exactly what level they must reach, which is the entire logic behind the third shot.
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Old 15.09.2021, 16:49
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hang on there?

so they are building policy on research they haven't done yet?
I was just pointing out that what they are setting up for can only be for boosters and to take that approach means they intend to roll out a booster campaign which does not yet exist in Switzerland - meaning, it's coming

I'd add that the serology research is ongoing with results pending, it would then mean that the preparations are due to the anticipatory results that will drive the roll out. I think the question will only be the intervals for a booster
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I'd add that the serology research is ongoing with results pending, it would then mean that the preparations are due to the anticipatory results that will drive the roll out. I think the question will only be the intervals for a booster
Further to what I wrote earlier today on the other thread on getting a certificate today based on antibody test and 1x vaccine (https://www.englishforum.ch/3349388-post31241.html), I sense they are starting to adjust the procedures to take into account recent serology/antibody studies and recovered status, etc. In my view, per the VD Covid certificat website, the antibody route to the certificate is via the recovered status as outlined there which states validity of 6 months. My newly received certificate suprisingly gives validity of 1 year that I wasn't expecting. So either it was a clerical error or they start to recognise the antibody levels and adjust practice accordingly.
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In just three weeks, six unvaccinated members of a Florida family died after contracting COVID-19.

After attending the funeral for 48-year-old family member Tyrone Moreland, 89-year-old grandmother Lillie Mae Dukes Moreland was hospitalized with the virus and died just 24 hours later, according to The Palm Beach Post.

Three more cousins died shortly after their grandmother, and the family's most recent loss was 44-year-old Trentarian Moreland, who died on Sunday.
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