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Yes, definitely 122 56.22%
Not sure. Let's wait and see 32 14.75%
No way. I don't need it 14 6.45%
What vaccine? 1 0.46%
Probably - but not straight away 38 17.51%
Only if they make me 10 4.61%
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Old 27.11.2020, 17:52
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I wonder what the feeling would be if they'd presented the very same information in a slightly different way:
"A Medscape UK reader poll of 308 UK doctors found that 6 in 10 would have a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as one is approved by the MHRA."
Probably not a whole lot seeing as this is website aimed at health professionals. 60% is hardly a resounding approval rate!

I think the speed of development of this vaccine is enough to make people want to wait and see what happens. Especially as Covid poses such a small risk to the vast majority of people.

Even recent history tells us that mass vaccinations programs can go wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ain-in-vaccine
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Old 27.11.2020, 18:01
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Not very long. IIRC from a podcast the other day it's a day or 2...something of that order. Long enough to do its job but it's not likely to hang about and mess up your genes.
It's "not likely to mess up your genes" because it can't mess up genes regardless of time. It does not even enter cell nucleus for that to be possible.
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Old 27.11.2020, 18:07
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Pretty much a normal day for me then....
So not like a flu jab? I finally got it a few days ago and nada. A bit disappointed, was wondering if my immune system puts up any good reaction and no.

It was all over the local news this week that Switzerland is not going to take the short approval route, I completely agree with Swissmedic. Proper, long and all three stages, apparently. The gov ordered over 13mil of vaccines (a mix of them).

The medical opinions from CZ that I've heard were for not getting sick and gettin' vaxed (the sickness doesn't have to be benign, nobody knows what it does to us long term), while voices of general public do not trust the pace that is has been put together. The CZ news informed already over 2 months ago that China and Russia have been vaxing already for a while. Czechs might only get the vax in March, looks like. I do not think that they are too mad about the delay, anyways. I am split - want to see family (quarantines complicate as well), don't want crappy vax.
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Old 27.11.2020, 18:07
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I think the speed of development of this vaccine is enough to make people want to wait and see what happens. Especially as Covid poses such a small risk to the vast majority of people.
That would probably be my attitude if I was younger. As one of those higher risk people I'm happy to have the vaccine when offered.
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Old 27.11.2020, 18:11
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I will get the vaccine, but not as an early adopter. Let the risk groups go first.
Agreed. I'm not high risk and I'm not often around high-risk folks, so I can wait my turn.

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The next challenge is going to be how to know who (and when; which) has been vaccinated in a format that will be recognised throughout the world.

Sounds like something ICAO or IATA needs to get working on. And the sooner the better.
IATA is working on it:
https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/pr/2020-11-23-01/
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Old 27.11.2020, 18:26
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So due you think they are all rushing it and we should wait?
They are definitely rushing it, they’re doing as many trials as they can in the time available and have fulfilled the minimum requirements but in an ideal world we would be waiting longer.

That’s not to say that I think they are unsafe, just not as rigorously tested as I’d like them to be.
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Old 27.11.2020, 18:27
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I don’t really understand the fuss!

I’ve been vaccinated /inoculated for polio, diphtheria, tetanus, yellow fever etc etc and never knew anyone who had any of these complaints.

Now I know dozens who suffered from Covid-19, one for 5½ months in hospital, one in the UK who died of it - and there’s a question about getting vaccinated?!?

I will be at the front of the queue (if there is such a thing in Switzerland) the day vaccines are available here...
Hi AbFab

I don’t know anyone who’s “suffered from Covid-19”, neither does anyone that I know. I hope that this stays that way.

It’s really a choice whether anyone wants to realize that this is not the same as polio, yellow fever etc. (I do have Swiss family through a previous partner that was subjected to a lifetime of disability through the polio vaccine).
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Old 27.11.2020, 18:39
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This exactly, BM.
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Old 27.11.2020, 19:01
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

No. Let all politicians take it first, before the general population. Let's test their confidence and belief in a super fast-tracked vaccine. They can be the guinea pigs.
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Old 27.11.2020, 19:10
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Well that question is easily answered:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/24/e...ntl/index.html
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

What was the name of the Tory UK politician on insisted on being filmed feeding his kids beefburgers in the middle of the CJD crisis?
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Old 27.11.2020, 23:43
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

1) Vaccination mandatory or not?
Yes if one wants to travel and/or is working in healthcare or any service that is in contact with high risk groups. Otherwise no

2) Should hospitals and nursing homes requires all patients and staff to be vaccinated?
Yes, no question

3) How will insurance premiums change for those who don't vaccinate?
All Anti-Vaxxers should pay double or triple

4) Will proof of vaccination be required to travel?
Should be.


So yes, I will get it once its my turn.
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Old 27.11.2020, 23:49
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What was the name of the Tory UK politician on insisted on being filmed feeding his kids beefburgers in the middle of the CJD crisis?
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Absolutely yes, and it should be mandatory. Or, if somebody doesn't want to vaccinate, fine, but he/she needs to stay home quarantined. I despise free-riders who would benefit from the fact that +70% of the population would have vaccinated and, therefore, eradicated the virus.

The workings of a vaccine are relatively simple, complications are highly unusual and in the worst case scenario either you catch the virus or it simply doesn't work.

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They are definitely rushing it, they’re doing as many trials as they can in the time available and have fulfilled the minimum requirements but in an ideal world we would be waiting longer.

That’s not to say that I think they are unsafe, just not as rigorously tested as I’d like them to be.
Not necessarily true. You work with time, or you work with numbers. In this case, they are testing the vaccines in massive amounts of individuals in different countries and continents, it would be equally safe as testing it with fewer people over a longer period of time but now we have the possibility of convincing thousands of people to sign up for this test due to the publicity of the virus, and governments willing to allow for the mass testing in their soil in exchange for delivery contracts.
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Old 28.11.2020, 00:36
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Hi AbFab

I don’t know anyone who’s “suffered from Covid-19”, neither does anyone that I know. I hope that this stays that way.

It’s really a choice whether anyone wants to realize that this is not the same as polio, yellow fever etc. (I do have Swiss family through a previous partner that was subjected to a lifetime of disability through the polio vaccine).
Hi ZuriRollt,

You are very fortunate. Since posting, I now know 2 more people including my next door neighbour and a 70+ year old with cancer with Covid-19...
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Old 28.11.2020, 01:12
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

As a relatively young and healthy person, I will take an approved and nodded at vaccine whenever it comes my way, but will not be the first in line. I am sure there are many people that deal with the public more than myself, so the vaccine should be allotted to the appropriate people first.

As a person with immediate family that work in Healthcare and Insurance for many years, many of them are dumbfounded by people's lack of cooperation and taking the situation more seriously than they have.

Everyone wants a vaccine to work!... There is no-one saying I don't want a vaccine that has the probability to work for most.

No-one I have ever talked to has said they want to keep the status-quo of 2020, well maybe Trump in other indirect and convoluted words, regardless nearly everyone in Europe will get it at some point.

It's going to happen. I have had common colds, the flu several times, broken bones, shot in war, vaccinated against D-T-P, HIB, M-M-R, MEASLES, OPV and have survived.

The appropriate vaccine will be a fighting chance to get back to normal.

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Old 28.11.2020, 09:08
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...Everyone wants a vaccine to work!... There is no-one saying I don't want a vaccine that has the probability to work for most...
No vaccine is 100%, every single one you have ever taken only has the probability to work. Fortunately in most cases that probability is rather high.
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

Can someone tell me what is likely to occur when someone who has been vaccinated encounters someone that is infectious, and then encounters someone who has not been vaccinated ?

Does the Virus die on contact (I suspect this is unlikely)?
Does the enhanced immune system detect the virus and mount an attack. (More likely)
Is the immunised person contagious during the (short?) period between their infection and their immune system successfully killing the virus?
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Old 28.11.2020, 10:55
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Re: Covid Vaccine: Will you get it?

For the info and data nerds, this is a concise outline of treatment protocols and the various vaccines in development. Links to clinical trials also.

https://tmsnrt.rs/36f9Ib3

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Old 28.11.2020, 15:19
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No vaccine is 100%, every single one you have ever taken only has the probability to work. Fortunately in most cases that probability is rather high.
Well.

The whole grand of idea of living involves chances and probabilities.

The discontent and inability to get away from the arm-chair activism at this point sucks. Wear a mask and use common sense.

We are all praying and hoping for a vaccine that is mostly effective.

I am not a religious person and rely on science and facts.

As someone who's immediate family deals with life and death decisions literally, and the other half of the family figures a way to finance it and make insurance decisions on it, that stretch out more than into 2030... IT SUCKS.. Can anyone imagine in 50 years from now how disappointed people will be to read a text and say "all they had to do was wear a cotton mask and wash their hands?"

Just take the damn vaccine. If your Swiss Canton is offering it, probably for free or low cost, than chances are very good, you will be just fine.
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