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Why they haven't just sent everyone a letter in the risk groups saying "turn up at X location at Y time or ring up or use this internet link to rebook" I have no idea. Maintain a "joker list" to account for non-responders (text sent out saying be there in an hour to the keen younger folk) and bob's your uncle.

I know there will always be some people who kick up a fuss or thing this is a Bill Gates or George Soros plot, but there's no way only 55 or 60% want the vaccine. England is at 95% of the over 50s - I think the really at risk age groups are more like 97% or 98%.

The Swiss system is great for the proactive, young and internet savvy, but it really is not hitting the people it needs to hit. Lots of people who aren't antivaxxers but are basically just lazy and useless and will never do anything of their own volition.
Maybe it's just me, but that's really not your typical Swiss. I don't know any like that, actually. You wouldn't make it far in a place that let's people be in charge and accountable to themselves. I think it's about trusting the actual product.

FMF was faster, yeah.

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It should be an "opt-out" system, not an "opt-in". That's so obvious as to be a complete facepalm.
I know you are peeved..but opt-out would again make the gov more liable in case there would be problems. Plus opt-out is strong coercing. Not a typical thing here, either.

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Its looking like I will be offered the vaccine here at almost exactly the same time I would in the UK - mid May (perhaps late May - I hope not though) - which says it all about the Swiss takeup when you look at the total numbers vaccinated compared to the uk.
UK actually had something to vax with, I think it's better to campaign when you have the ammunition in your stock. And measures and deaths were more dramatic, that certainly motivates. I am glad that neither measures nor deaths were drastic here. CZ has high deaths, Hungary now even higher, Belgium isn't far, vax interest is high there too.
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Re: When can we take covid vaccine

Who, when, where in Switzerland - an overview in German: https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/kamp...tonsuebersicht
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The Swiss system is great for the proactive, young and internet savvy, but it really is not hitting the people it needs to hit. Lots of people who aren't antivaxxers but are basically just lazy and useless and will never do anything of their own volition. It should be an "opt-out" system, not an "opt-in". That's so obvious as to be a complete facepalm.

Its looking like I will be offered the vaccine here at almost exactly the same time I would in the UK - mid May (perhaps late May - I hope not though) - which says it all about the Swiss takeup when you look at the total numbers vaccinated compared to the uk.
With all due respect: those at greatest risk have almost all been vaccinated, usually by their GPs. I‘ve been asking all my old patients. There are just a few who didn‘t want it, and almost all of those are past the median life expectancy hereabouts. If I were ninety, I wouldn‘t be in a hurry to get it unless I was institutionalised (i.e. within close range of vulnerable others), and I‘d definitely not want to be hospitalised.

Also, the Swiss uptake isn‘t quite as bad as the comparison of the doses alone would suggest. As you probably know, the UK is giving out first doses as broadly as possible and postponing second jabs. This is not the Swiss policy. So here, you have to wait until those at highest risk have had two doses, as opposed to just one in Britain.

Just got my first dose today. Good luck!
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Re: When can we take covid vaccine

Everyone living in Kt ZH can register here https://zh.vacme.ch/start
You will be assigned to a group depending on your answers.



Once you've registered here, you should keep looking back and see if your Group is open to book appointments.



Currently appointments can be booked for everyone over 50 (also non-risk people) as well as some specific risk factor groups.



Apparently they are opening up a whole lot of new slots today (they got some vaccine deliveries!), so if you don't have an appointment yet and you want one, its a good opportunity.
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The Swiss system is great for the proactive, young and internet savvy, but it really is not hitting the people it needs to hit. Lots of people who aren't antivaxxers but are basically just lazy and useless and will never do anything of their own volition.

Apparently 63% of the people who signed up for the vaccine in Vaud this week are under 30 which would indicate that it is not reaching those who need it most. In Vaud at least.
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Apparently 63% of the people who signed up for the vaccine in Vaud this week are under 30 which would indicate that it is not reaching those who need it most. In Vaud at least.
Lot of older people I know already had Covid and recovered.
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Apparently 63% of the people who signed up for the vaccine in Vaud this week are under 30 which would indicate that it is not reaching those who need it most. In Vaud at least.
If they are fit & healthy they will likely not even know they are ill & survive if they are ill. They should be able to take that decision if they need it or not themselves.
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Re: When can we take covid vaccine

Maybe Canton VD should have thought of that before opening to everybody. They could have opened 40-55 first.

Young people want to travel and have parties!

A friend, 55, tried to book a slot this week. She has to wait until end of June to get the first shot.
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A friend, 55, tried to book a slot this week. She has to wait until end of June to get the first shot.
That's really bad :-(

I have been moaning a lot about how slow Luzern has been to open up to the under-65s, but now they have started and I have an appointment on Thursday. The system here is different from some cantons: you register online, and they send you a text message with an appointment time, which at least avoids the kind of free-for-all that your friend seems to be a victim of. Although within the under-65 group, I don't know if the vaccination order depends on age or on registration date (I will be 62 next month and registered on the day the site opened in January, so I would be close to the top of the list in either case).
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Re: When can we take covid vaccine

Goodness, just stumbled across this thread, after having ignored it from inception. So I’m an impartial party OK?

Most Swiss do not want to get vaccinated by the Astra Zeneca stuff. Ask any Swiss, or look at major Swiss press polls. It’s kind of ranked up there with the Russian Sputnik thing.

So let’s look at why (and I’m pretty savvy with all serious World press) - last figures I read were that the Astra Zeneca was risky, and provided at best 75% protection against Corona, if it didn’t kill you first, depending on your age. The allowed Swiss vaccines provide 95% protection against Corona, with very little side effects.

Am struggling to see where any argument is here
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Goodness, just stumbled across this thread, after having ignored it from inception. So I’m an impartial party OK?

Most Swiss do not want to get vaccinated by the Astra Zeneca stuff. Ask any Swiss, or look at major Swiss press polls. It’s kind of ranked up there with the Russian Sputnik thing.

So let’s look at why (and I’m pretty savvy with all serious World press) - last figures I read were that the Astra Zeneca was risky, and provided at best 75% protection against Corona, if it didn’t kill you first, depending on your age. The allowed Swiss vaccines provide 95% protection against Corona, with very little side effects.

Am struggling to see where any argument is here
My Swiss wife's Swiss doctor recomments AZ.

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My Swiss wife's Swiss doctor recomments AZ.

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Strange: I think that such a stud like you would have a wife under 65:

https://www.srf.ch/news/internationa...e-wissensstand
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Lot of older people I know already had Covid and recovered.
Dunno anyone in my circles, or friends circles that have been tested positive. They are all pretty responsible and well-informed
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Strange: I think that such a stud like you would have a wife under 65:
She is closer to 55.

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She is closer to 55.

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That’s what I said. Wasn’t sarcastic, was serious, sorry if I offended - you are a well known cool guy since years? Can attract anyone - my last partner (a judge) was 11 years younger. Anyway, I don‘t think that Astra Zeneca is allowed in Switzerland, and the Bund hasn‘t ordered it anyway?
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From what I have read, one has a greater risk of getting a blood clot from general anesthesia than from receiving the AZ or J&J vaccine. And those women who take birth control? The risk of blood clots is even higher:

https://www.theguardian.com/theobser...-of-the-az-jab

So why the hysteria if this is not just another media frenzy or a political ploy to infuse FEAR so people will not get these vaccines?
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From what I have read, one has a greater risk of getting a blood clot from general anesthesia than from receiving the AZ or J&J vaccine. And those women who take birth control? The risk of blood clots is even higher:

https://www.theguardian.com/theobser...-of-the-az-jab

So why the hysteria if this is not just another media frenzy or a political ploy to infuse FEAR so people will not get these vaccines?
I had a scare, a stroke a few years ago. And you cannot imagine the fear of the emergency tests / scans you have to go through to rule out blood clots. It was terrifying. I was not the person I am today during those times, worried about the future of my child as a single Mom. I was literally shaking, and couldn‘t form a sentence on the blood clot tests. Had a friend that died from an embolism. So I can believe that the fear is high.
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I had a scare, a stroke a few years ago. And you cannot imagine the fear of the emergency tests / scans you have to go through to rule out blood clots. It was terrifying. I was not the person I am today during those times, worried about the future of my child as a single Mom. I was literally shaking, and couldn‘t form a sentence on the blood clot tests. Had a friend that died from an embolism. So I can believe that the fear is high.
I am sorry to hear of your past experience Zurirolt! Sounds as though it was terrifying for you. I was referring to the population at large and the general risk of blood clots vis-a-vis general anesthesia and birth control - both of which pose a greater risk of clotting than AZ and J&J.

There are always outliers, namely, those like you who need to exercise extra precaution given their medical history. But for the general populace at large? I remain very confident in AZ and J&J and would have no issues taking either. I actually prefer them to Moderna and Pfizer but I am "old school" so to speak and to each one's own
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I am sorry to hear of your past experience Zurirolt! Sounds as though it was terrifying for you. I was referring to the population at large and the general risk of blood clots vis-a-vis general anesthesia and birth control - both of which pose a greater risk of clotting than AZ and J&J.

There are always outliers, namely, those like you who need to exercise extra precaution given their medical history. But for the general populace at large? I remain very confident in AZ and J&J and would have no issues taking either. I actually prefer them to Moderna and Pfizer but I am "old school" so to speak and to each one's own
I don‘t think that I‘m an outlier! I was a relatively fit middle aged Mom (with no prior medical problems) of an early twenties daughter when I had the stroke and all the blood clot tests about two to three years ago - You must be „Male“
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From what I have read, one has a greater risk of getting a blood clot from general anesthesia than from receiving the AZ or J&J vaccine. And those women who take birth control? The risk of blood clots is even higher:

https://www.theguardian.com/theobser...-of-the-az-jab

So why the hysteria if this is not just another media frenzy or a political ploy to infuse FEAR so people will not get these vaccines?
The risks are small but there, and the risk-benefit calculation is quite different in a healthy 20yo as opposed to a 70yo with high blood pressure. Many young people do not see any risk in catching Covid, even though it’s there. Still, something given to lots of healthy youngsters needs to be pretty risk-free. General anesthesia is usually done for compelling reasons. The benefit of birth control to the user is obvious too... Agreed that not using AZ at all is not the way to go, at least as long as there’s not enough to go round. Germany is limiting AZ to over 60s. Reasonable compromise.
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