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Mild side effects. No time off work. 28 63.64%
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Had my second Pfizer vaccination this arvo in Affoltern al Albis (ZH) and it was noticeable that the queues were pretty short compared to first visit. Majority of people seemed to be getting first vaccination judging by the paper certificates at the end. I’d say most folks were 55+ & I was in Group E though I got bumped up the list due to risk factors et al.

To reiterate what others have said they will stamp vaccination books on demand. Additionally the paperwork highlighting you’ve had both jabs is now in French, German & English. The addition of English is new since last time.
Mine is only in English and German
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The UK is only using Pfizer and Moderna for the under 40s.
Latest data from the UK suggests that they're not even that far apart in terms of efficacy either.



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Latest data from the UK suggests that they're not even that far apart in terms of efficacy either.



https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_week_20.pdf
80% of the 2 doses Astra Zeneca results in your table are reported as "results are inconclusive" so how do you conclude "they're not even that far apart".

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More info, perhaps? Which center?
Affoltern.

But I first got winterthur 28th for one of us, and then managed to get Affoltern for Monday.

Also noticed that Wetzikon suddenly had a number of appointments for Tuesday. They were gone though after 10 minutes.

ReferenzImpzentrum which I suppose is the university had one availablitiy for Tuesday too but I was too slow.

Uster also had availability next week.

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80% of the 2 doses Astra Zeneca results in your table are reported as "results are inconclusive" so how do you conclude "they're not even that far apart".
From the Guardian today:
Two doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine are around 85% to 90% effective against symptomatic disease, Reuters reports. Public Health England (PHE) analysis of data from the rollout of the shot suggested that the estimated effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine, invented at the University of Oxford, was 89% compared to unvaccinated people. This compares with 90% for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

If you're a vaccine sceptic, of course you'll pick up on things like you did, and challenge people on forums who are really just trying to provide helpful and encouraging information. The fact is that the great majority of ongoing studies are showing high levels of protection offered by the big vaccines -- AZ / Moderna / Pfizer / J&J etc. No study I've read has posited 100% protection but I guess that no flu jab or malaria vaccine guarantees 100% effectiveness either. Anything that's around 80 or 90% sounds pretty good to me.
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From the Guardian today:
Two doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine are around 85% to 90% effective against symptomatic disease, Reuters reports. Public Health England (PHE) analysis of data from the rollout of the shot suggested that the estimated effectiveness of the AstraZeneca vaccine, invented at the University of Oxford, was 89% compared to unvaccinated people. This compares with 90% for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

If you're a vaccine sceptic, of course you'll pick up on things like you did, and challenge people on forums who are really just trying to provide helpful and encouraging information. The fact is that the great majority of ongoing studies are showing high levels of protection offered by the big vaccines -- AZ / Moderna / Pfizer / J&J etc. No study I've read has posited 100% protection but I guess that no flu jab or malaria vaccine guarantees 100% effectiveness either. Anything that's around 80 or 90% sounds pretty good to me.
Your definition of "helpful and encouraging information" is "results are inconclusive", really?

Now if the OP had provided more complete information as you did then that would be a different story.

You label me as "a vaccine skeptic" because I found "results are inconclusive" to be unhelpful?
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No study I've read has posited 100% protection but I guess that no flu jab or malaria vaccine guarantees 100% effectiveness either. Anything that's around 80 or 90% sounds pretty good to me.
The flu vaccine averages at around 40% effective. The best it’s ever been is around 60% and it can be as low as 10 or 15%.
In comparison the Covid vaccine is stellar.

I think the measles vaccine is generally regarded as the most effective vaccine available with around 97% effectiveness.
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Old 20.05.2021, 23:06
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Had my second Pfizer vaccination this arvo in Affoltern al Albis (ZH) and it was noticeable that the queues were pretty short compared to first visit. Majority of people seemed to be getting first vaccination judging by the paper certificates at the end.
Very different from Winterthur. I didn't have to search for the center because the large crowd waiting outside could be seen from far away even with my poor eyesight. No physical distance at all, the line to the entrance looked like pre-covid times. Most of the people were getting the second dose (there were two different sections for different doses so it was easy to make an estimate).
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Your definition of "helpful and encouraging information" is "results are inconclusive", really?

Now if the OP had provided more complete information as you did then that would be a different story.

You label me as "a vaccine skeptic" because I found "results are inconclusive" to be unhelpful?
I think that someone who is essentially a sceptic will unconsciously pick up on little things like the different coloured box to cast doubt on the vaccine's effectiveness rather than doing a little research, or giving the high score the benefit of the doubt. A sceptic is likely to interpret "results are inconclusive" as meaning "warning: results are disappointing and unreliable". We know from myriad sources that all the well-known vaccines have fared very well indeed in ongoing follow-up research. The particular study or studies that that particular table is based on may simply not have finished supplying all the data, or the submitted data may not have passed through all the validation stages. Either situation would be enough to be described as inconclusive i.e. the analysis hasn't been concluded. The fact that they give it a high provisional score suggests that the signs are currently very good. If the signs were bad, presumably they'd give it a low score but still add that the results were not yet conclusive.
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Latest data from the UK suggests that they're not even that far apart in terms of efficacy either.
What about mutations with immune escape? Like SA?
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What about mutations with immune escape? Like SA?
The fact that SA variant isn't becoming dominant in the uk should tell it's own story
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What about mutations with immune escape? Like SA?
The WHO said yesterday that all the approved vaccines are effective against all known variants.

These so-called mutations and variants have been exploited by the fear mongering media. Until now, they've all behaved very similarly to the original virus. It stands to reason too that vaccines should be effective, these aren't big mutations, all the new reported variants are something like 99% similar to the original Covid virus.

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Right now, Wetzikon Apotheke Kempten has some appointments available for Tuesday.
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all the new reported variants are something like 99% similar to the original Covid virus.
LOL. My DNA is more than 99% similar to yours but we are obviously very different persons.

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Not true. The virusologists are also worried about mutations though they note that the variants from different parts of the world demonstrate similar mutations which is a good point. It's always better to read or listen to the scientists directly (say, in podcasts) instead of reading the headlines in the yellow newspapers.
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Your definition of "helpful and encouraging information" is "results are inconclusive", really?

Now if the OP had provided more complete information as you did then that would be a different story.

You label me as "a vaccine skeptic" because I found "results are inconclusive" to be unhelpful?
I don't think it's possible to tell efficacy from the "real world". Because some people once vaccinated will change their behaviour. That's why there's double blind tests.

That said, presuming the behaviour will only increase in risk once vaccinated it should be possible to say - it provides at least X% protection.

Perhaps that's why the data is deemed as being of low quality.

What we can gleam from the real world is that vaccines (at least the non Chinese kind) unlike the previous topic of discussion clearly have a large material effect on R.

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I think that someone who is essentially a sceptic will unconsciously pick up on little things like the different coloured box to cast doubt on the vaccine's effectiveness rather than doing a little research, or giving the high score the benefit of the doubt. A sceptic is likely to interpret "results are inconclusive" as meaning "warning: results are disappointing and unreliable". We know from myriad sources that all the well-known vaccines have fared very well indeed in ongoing follow-up research. The particular study or studies that that particular table is based on may simply not have finished supplying all the data, or the submitted data may not have passed through all the validation stages. Either situation would be enough to be described as inconclusive i.e. the analysis hasn't been concluded. The fact that they give it a high provisional score suggests that the signs are currently very good. If the signs were bad, presumably they'd give it a low score but still add that the results were not yet conclusive.
You are the one interpreting "results are inconclusive" as meaning "warning: results are disappointing and unreliable", not me.

Dare I recommend for easier reading you use shorter paragraphs?
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Re: When can we take covid vaccine

I stopped in Neuchatel today on the way back from a hike and to my surprise there was a COVIDIOT demonstration in full-swing https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/protest...olicy/46640980

Tons of people marching, almost no masks to be seen. Lots of signs like "Take off the mask and smell the Bull****" and about how people shouldn't be treated differently for choosing not to vaccinate etc.

On the way home of course protesters were on the train without masks and I had the pleasure of listening to a few of them talk. Mostly Swiss German, mostly talking nonsense, mostly delightiing and laughing in people's reaction to them (usually getting up and moving) and mostly got off at stops like Aarau and similar places.

Morons.
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I stopped in Neuchatel today on the way back from a hike and to my surprise there was a COVIDIOT demonstration in full-swing https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/protest...olicy/46640980

Tons of people marching, almost no masks to be seen. Lots of signs like "Take off the mask and smell the Bull****" and about how people shouldn't be treated differently for choosing not to vaccinate etc.

On the way home of course protesters were on the train without masks and I had the pleasure of listening to a few of them talk. Mostly Swiss German, mostly talking nonsense, mostly delightiing and laughing in people's reaction to them (usually getting up and moving) and mostly got off at stops like Aarau and similar places.

Morons.
It has really pissed off the Neuchâtel population.
I have no idea why it was allowed to go ahead. At least we had advanced warning and could avoid the area this afternoon.
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https://rimpfli.web.app checks the Zurich and Bern systems regularly and shows the free appointments
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I stopped in Neuchatel today on the way back from a hike and to my surprise there was a COVIDIOT demonstration in full-swing https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/protest...olicy/46640980

Tons of people marching, almost no masks to be seen. Lots of signs like "Take off the mask and smell the Bull****" and about how people shouldn't be treated differently for choosing not to vaccinate etc.

On the way home of course protesters were on the train without masks and I had the pleasure of listening to a few of them talk. Mostly Swiss German, mostly talking nonsense, mostly delightiing and laughing in people's reaction to them (usually getting up and moving) and mostly got off at stops like Aarau and similar places.

Morons.
I wish people like that could be forced to take a tour of an ICU ward full of people with Covid.
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