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Old 04.02.2021, 21:08
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Re: Advice on Covid Safe CT/PET, MRI Facility ??

I see my doc that orders my MRIs tomorrow. I shall ask if the doctor knows of any changes in procedures/ventilation/etc. since I was last in, and where you would be able to find info in your area. What hospitals in Bern are doing might not be the same as Zurich.

For the moment trying to be the first patient of the day seems like a good compromise if possible.
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I see my doc that orders my MRIs tomorrow. I shall ask if the doctor knows of any changes in procedures/ventilation/etc. since I was last in, and where you would be able to find info in your area. What hospitals in Bern are doing might not be the same as Zurich.

For the moment trying to be the first patient of the day seems like a good compromise if possible.
Wow, huge thanks, how wonderful. Super nice of you.

Yes, agree the first appointment is probably a big part of the answer. Part of why I was asking about experiences at different facilities since I may have to hunt around different facilities to find something within a short time frame.

Perhaps I am wrong, but to pinpoint my query ....it's my impression that that the air in CT/PET/MRI tubes and tiny prep rooms may be unique among medical facilities in that a string of different people (many who going through chemo and are immuno-compromised) are serially sitting/laying for a longer time (building up greater air viral load) in a smaller space, during the course of the day, than many other medical visits.
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don't base your decisions on some random comment on a forum

Agreed.

At the same time, I have been amazed at the information available on forums.

We really only get a super short time with medical professionals.

It has made a ginormous difference approaching things armed with information and crowd sourced thinking.
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Re: Advice on Covid Safe CT/PET, MRI Facility ??

Imamed in Liestal has an "open" MRI. Probably more ventilation that way. Also, from what I remember (and what it seems to show on the pics on their website), the room has windows, so it should be easy to aerate.
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Imamed in Liestal has an "open" MRI. Probably more ventilation that way. Also, from what I remember (and what it seems to show on the pics on their website), the room has windows, so it should be easy to aerate.

Interesting. Thanks. This is helpful.

To be honest, I don't quite remember how these scans are combined. For example, I thought I remembered PET/CT being combined and due to the nature of the tests (radiation?) they were usually in rooms without windows, with staff shielded away in special booths or other rooms and purposefully shut the door behind them.
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Wow, huge thanks, how wonderful. Super nice of you.

Yes, agree the first appointment is probably a big part of the answer. Part of why I was asking about experiences at different facilities since I may have to hunt around different facilities to find something within a short time frame.
Okay, not sure it helps but here's the info I received. I don't need another scan right now so I won't be able to give you a current, personal experience.
  • All MRI rooms are well-ventilated, but my doc doesn't know whether any hospitals have specifically changed anything with ventilation systems. It seems likely they would change filters more often, and most hospitals would have HEPA filters.
  • Not all MRIs are long, closed tubes. Many are short "donuts". The open MRI mentioned above seems like it could be good for you. Depending on the area being scanned, it's possible your head wouldn't even be in the machine.
  • Part of the cleaning procedure is to spray everything from top down and then wipe it from top down. The odds of someone's droplets lurking in the air above your head after such a cleaning process seems minimal.
  • Doctor's surgeries and hospitals are asking all patients to NOT come to appointments if they feel unwell or if they have tested positive for Covid. It's possible that someone asymptomatic still shows up.
  • Anecdotally, my doctor has not heard of anyone getting Covid at the hospital who was only there for a short scan. People who were sick with something else and were in for days, yes.
  • If your doctor thinks this is urgent, my doctor says you have to work through your fears and do the scan. The risk of covid is probably lower than the risk of long-term issues of not knowing and treating whatever is wrong.
I wore a cloth mask the whole time and my head had to be in the machine. I would like to think that by wearing a mask I reduced any droplets, and that others wearing masks also reduced their droplets. We weren't all sneezing and drooling everywhere.

You continue to talk about sick people in MRI and viral load. Remember that
Not everyone who goes to hospital is sick or contagious with something, and that includes covid.
With the current numbers, it is entirely possible that no one else who has been in the MRI area that day is sick or has covid or has even been exposed to it.

Best bet still remains to ask to be first. Then others get to breathe your germs.
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You continue to talk about sick people in MRI and viral load. Remember that
Not everyone who goes to hospital is sick or contagious with something, and that includes covid.
With the current numbers, it is entirely possible that no one else who has been in the MRI area that day is sick or has covid or has even been exposed to it.
I also think it’s very unlikely that someone “sick” with Covid would be sent for a scan (maybe after they’ve recovered to check lung damage, but not when sick). Of course there is the chance someone asymptomatic goes for a scan for something else, but I don’t think the risk is higher than anywhere else. In fact maybe less, as you really can’t have an MRI if you have a cough, it’d really mess the images up!
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Okay, not sure it helps but here's the info I received. I don't need another scan right now so I won't be able to give you a current, personal experience.
  • All MRI rooms are well-ventilated, but my doc doesn't know whether any hospitals have specifically changed anything with ventilation systems. It seems likely they would change filters more often, and most hospitals would have HEPA filters.
  • Not all MRIs are long, closed tubes. Many are short "donuts". The open MRI mentioned above seems like it could be good for you. Depending on the area being scanned, it's possible your head wouldn't even be in the machine.
  • Part of the cleaning procedure is to spray everything from top down and then wipe it from top down. The odds of someone's droplets lurking in the air above your head after such a cleaning process seems minimal.
  • Doctor's surgeries and hospitals are asking all patients to NOT come to appointments if they feel unwell or if they have tested positive for Covid. It's possible that someone asymptomatic still shows up.
  • Anecdotally, my doctor has not heard of anyone getting Covid at the hospital who was only there for a short scan. People who were sick with something else and were in for days, yes.
  • If your doctor thinks this is urgent, my doctor says you have to work through your fears and do the scan. The risk of covid is probably lower than the risk of long-term issues of not knowing and treating whatever is wrong.
I wore a cloth mask the whole time and my head had to be in the machine. I would like to think that by wearing a mask I reduced any droplets, and that others wearing masks also reduced their droplets. We weren't all sneezing and drooling everywhere.

You continue to talk about sick people in MRI and viral load. Remember that
Not everyone who goes to hospital is sick or contagious with something, and that includes covid.
With the current numbers, it is entirely possible that no one else who has been in the MRI area that day is sick or has covid or has even been exposed to it.

Best bet still remains to ask to be first. Then others get to breathe your germs.



Wow!! Thanks so much for asking and your thoughts!! The way you (and everyone else !!) has helped me step through the thinking on this has been immensely kind.


Yes, I think you are quite right on all your points. I also think I am confusing my CT/PET scan with my MRI experiences.


Also, since I have to do this, perhaps the next couple of months might actually be the best time of the upcoming year to do it, while numbers and people in circulation are going down during the later phase of a lock down.


I still think it's good to try one's best to think about and ask questions about these things, but there also comes a point where it's actually healthier to just take precautions, get on with things, and stay positive.


Thanks again everyone for stepping through the thinking on this !!


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