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Annual COVID Boosters ?

I was reading that the UK is gearing up to give the first booster vaccines (dose 3) in September/October to at-risk people...

Does anyone know if Switzerland is already planning something similar?
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Old 31.03.2021, 12:20
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I was reading that the UK is gearing up to give the first booster vaccines (dose 3) in September/October to at-risk people...

Does anyone know if Switzerland is already planning something similar?
Donít be ridiculous theyíll still be flapping around with round 1.
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Re: Annual COVID Boosters ?

I suspect this would be dose #2. (Which the vast majority of brits havenít yet had) None of the vaccines approved in CH envision a third dose as the have a high effect against all known strains.
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I suspect this would be dose #2. (Which the vast majority of brits havenít yet had) None of the vaccines approved in CH envision a third dose as the have a high effect against all known strains.
No, second doses are starting in the U.K. now. These are extra winter boosters.
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Old 31.03.2021, 12:53
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I suspect this would be dose #2. (Which the vast majority of brits havenít yet had) None of the vaccines approved in CH envision a third dose as the have a high effect against all known strains.
Sept would be the third dose.

Second doses are being rolled out as we speak in the UK; and first doses for the younger bands.

The vaccines appear to have limited coverage; be it duration (estimated to 9-12 months), or for new strains...
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Old 31.03.2021, 12:54
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Nope, they’ll have done the second doses before summer.

This is a winter booster to give extra protection for next winter. It will be a third dose. The UK has pre-ordered millions of doses in preparation for it.
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I was reading that the UK is gearing up to give the first booster vaccines (dose 3) in September/October to at-risk people...

Does anyone know if Switzerland is already planning something similar?
I was hearing from acquantainces that the UK is postponing appointements of second vaccinations and given what is being reported (see below), sounds about right. So let's see what they do...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56438629

Surely I would hope that before the developed world starts giving 3rd shots we would ensure rest of world has at least first and second...
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The UK has pre-ordered millions of doses in preparation for it.
Thats not fair I guess Britain wants it empire back.
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Re: Annual COVID Boosters ?

The UK has done upwards of 3M second doses and is currently doing the 1st doses for the >40's.

The 3rd doses being mooted is for boosters, which (should by then) be rolling out ready for winter and would have been "tweaked" for the new(er) variants.
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Old 01.04.2021, 14:26
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I was hearing from acquantainces that the UK is postponing appointements of second vaccinations and given what is being reported (see below), sounds about right. So let's see what they do...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56438629

Surely I would hope that before the developed world starts giving 3rd shots we would ensure rest of world has at least first and second...
The scary part is, the UK is not usually known for organization... Queueing, warm beer, curries and bad teeth- sure... but organization? Especially in the NHS?

Really goes to show the stereotypes of organized Swiss/Germans is a moot point nowadays... it seems like even the Italians are more organized than the Swiss...

Does anyone know if you can pick-n-mix vaccines? I.e. if you do the AZ first shot, can you then do the Pfizer second shot? Or even do both the shots of one, but then do a booster from another brand?
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I suspect this would be dose #2. (Which the vast majority of brits havenít yet had) None of the vaccines approved in CH envision a third dose as the have a high effect against all known strains.
My 26 year old brother has had his second, as has my grandmother. They are starting in earnest now - with no more first jabs (unless you are priority, didn't want one earlier but have changed your mind).

Parents (60 and 59) have their second one booked in for May.
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The scary part is, the UK is not usually known for organization... Queueing, warm beer, curries and bad teeth- sure... but organization? Especially in the NHS?

Really goes to show the stereotypes of organized Swiss/Germans is a moot point nowadays... it seems like even the Italians are more organized than the Swiss...

Does anyone know if you can pick-n-mix vaccines? I.e. if you do the AZ first shot, can you then do the Pfizer second shot? Or even do both the shots of one, but then do a booster from another brand?
In reality that'd probably be at least as good, but hasn't been approved. They probably will let you do a different booster though.
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I was hearing from acquantainces that the UK is postponing appointements of second vaccinations and given what is being reported (see below), sounds about right. So let's see what they do...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56438629

Surely I would hope that before the developed world starts giving 3rd shots we would ensure rest of world has at least first and second...
Switzerland has said everyone will have had a first by the end of July, presumably thus their second by end of August so should be more or less in a position to start doing the same.

We need to make sure we've got enough supply in for everyone to get an annual booster then we can start being nice. Who knows how much protection the most vulnerable who were dosed in February will have by the winter.
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I was hearing from acquantainces that the UK is postponing appointements of second vaccinations and given what is being reported (see below), sounds about right. So let's see what they do...
I have two relatives in the UK whose 2nd shot has been put back by 14 days. They were told that it was to help manage a sight dip in supply, and to ensure that 1st shots were available to those who'd already booked. My understanding is that the 2nd shot is a booster and that most of the impact comes from the first so this seems sensible.

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This might seem like a moral dilemma but looking at the worldwide statistics, it's clear that Europe is the current global hub of the pandemic, presumably because of population density and the amount of travel that goes on. So I've no qualms about prioritising Europe for vaccination. Remember that Covid vaccinations are apparently going to be an annual ritual now for the foreseeable future so it's not a matter of choosing whether we forego/delay our 3rd shot. They have to happen. Fortunately, global manufacturing is ramping up now so that we shouldn't have to make these tough decisions in future. I'm sure supply to Africa and Asia will increase quickly over the coming months but at the moment Europe is the priority.
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This might seem like a moral dilemma but looking at the worldwide statistics, it's clear that Europe is the current global hub of the pandemic, presumably because of population density and the amount of travel that goes on. So I've no qualms about prioritising Europe for vaccination. Remember that Covid vaccinations are apparently going to be an annual ritual now for the foreseeable future so it's not a matter of choosing whether we forego/delay our 3rd shot. They have to happen. Fortunately, global manufacturing is ramping up now so that we shouldn't have to make these tough decisions in future. I'm sure supply to Africa and Asia will increase quickly over the coming months but at the moment Europe is the priority.
Two personal experiences...

One:
I was in Africa in January for work, and to come back to CH had to get a COVID test, which should be easy given that the country I was in offered free tests for anyone.

I turned up at the test center at 9am, and was one of the very few people wearing masks. The people working the center were mostly wearing the masks as chin-guards. There was no differentiation between people who had symptoms and people who wanted to travel. No social distancing. You had to write your name in a book, then wait. The book and pen was touched by everyone, and not sanitized.

After waiting 2 hours or so (at a safe distance), I got called up - the person then asked me to fill out a form (with another shared pen), and then proceeded to remove his mask and wipe the table with it, before putting it on as a chin guard again. I asked who would do the swab, and was told that the healthcare workers weren't there yet, as they were doing house calls to those who were too sick to leave home.

Keep in mind that this is >30C temperature, in the sun, etc... I complained a bit at this point, as they clearly said that from 9am they would be testing...

At that point, I was offered a "premium service"...
  • for the equivalent of 10chuffs, they would come to my house the day after and test me without waiting. I would need to collect the certificate 2 days later.
  • for the equivalent of 20chuffs, they would come to my house the day after and test me without waiting - and guarantee a negative result on the database + whatsapp me with the real result. I would need to collect the certificate 2 days later.
  • for the equivalent of 30chuffs, they would come to my house the day after with a printed certificate that was correctly entered into the database. No test at all.
Keep in mind, this is a developing nation... and they had a database of ALL tests, with the passport number of the person and a QR code on the certificate... so when you went to the airport, they would scan the code and see if you had a valid cert or if you made it at home...

Asking around fellow travelers at the airport 2 days later it seemed like this was a service used by MANY on my plane... I got tested again the day I landed in CH, just in case... and again a week later (as I had to travel again).

Two:
I was talking to a colleague who informed me that someone he worked with was sick. "Probably malaria".

A week later, his whole family was sick. Typical COVID symptoms. "Probably malaria". All got prescribed lariam. None were tested for COVID, nor malaria (tests cost money... it's easier to take the malaria cure and see what happens).

Summary:
There is a LOT of stigma around COVID in some countries. Testing is rare, and when it happens, it's often bypassed resulting in fake numbers.

As such, I don't trust the figures... Much more revealing is the burial rates per country compared to previous years...
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