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Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

Hi all,

We are expecting our first child!

However - one of us is Spaniard and the other one Swiss which means that Switzerland has legal rights on naming the kid.

It's very important for us to have both surnames ans it's a common tradition in Spain.

Has anyone here dealt with this situation and managed to work around that and allowing the kid to have 2 surnames?
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Old 27.04.2021, 15:38
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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

First, congratulations!

Not quite the same situation but I married a Swiss. Before we were married her last name was Morgen. My last name is Holz.

After we were married she changed her last name to Morgen Holz*, but it's not two last names, just one with two names. Perhaps that would work?

* Names were changed to protect the innocent and amuse the author.
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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

I am happy to change my name if needed. But the registration Amt is saying there's no way to do that.

But we are married already and I don't think this is an option. But worth to ask
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Old 27.04.2021, 16:07
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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

Where did you marry and what is your current legal family name?
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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

I married in Sao Paulo Brazil, thus there's no current familien name.
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Old 27.04.2021, 17:02
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I married in Sao Paulo Brazil, thus there's no current familien name.
So your marriage certificate just says John and Jane on it?

I don't recall seeing a lot of double barrelled Spanish names myself. Just add one of the surnames as part of the child's middle name/s.

https://www.ch.ch/en/married-name/
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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

yes. Just give one as a middle name for the Swiss purposes and register it correctly with the Spanish.
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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

Someone needs to start a petition for a referendum against the strict surname rules in this country! Especially when 25% of the population are foreign nationals it causes so many problems.
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Someone needs to start a petition for a referendum against the strict surname rules in this country! Especially when 25% of the population are foreign nationals it causes so many problems.
I thought they tried to fix it a few years back but couldn't come to agreement.
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Old 27.04.2021, 17:57
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Someone needs to start a petition for a referendum against the strict surname rules in this country! Especially when 25% of the population are foreign nationals it causes so many problems.
Totally agree. And not only for the foreigners.
Plus stop bloody messing with the rules. When I got married I was allowed to do one thing (newly invented then) and now they're fighting me on every step because they changed their minds somewhere along the lines.
Well, it's more exhausting for them than for me. I got it in the passport so they have a hard time to get rid of it.

@Sonnenhund, sure you changed the names. We all know she was called Sonne and you were called Hund.

@Madea, are you serious?? So so called way-behind-us Arab countries and other places, woman do not adapt their names when they get married. They just stay who they are. I should have done that too, back then.
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Someone needs to start a petition for a referendum against the strict surname rules in this country! Especially when 25% of the population are foreign nationals it causes so many problems.
With you all the way! The rules in CH aren’t just discriminating the 25 % of foreigners – my wife’s proudly held family name “Hösli” raised enough uncalled for derision after our marriage. As an offspring of the equally noble “Ganzoni” clan, it took me quite a while to accept, that a radical break was necessary: we applied for a new family name. Can you imagine our dismay when we found out, that our choice (Mussolini) wasn’t acceptable to the authorities! I never really liked Benito as our son’s name but had agreed to my wife’s choice to avoid getting her knickers in a twist….
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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

OP, although it's not exactly the same situation, you might find some of the info on this somewhat related thread useful.
https://www.englishforum.ch/family-m...d-surname.html
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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

We managed it here but neither of us are Swiss. When we showed the Amt the name of our first 2 kids, they let us carry on the naming system.

As your location shows London, I am assuming that your child will not be born in Switzerland. I would register the birth in Spain first and get your Libro de Familia in order with your desired name. Once you have that, register the birth in Switzerland and let them figure it out. Hope it works out for you. It's really a nonsensical system.
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It's really a nonsensical system.
No, it's an excellent system!

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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

nonsensical until you end up with two parents who have double surname and now the kid needs a quadruple one
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nonsensical until you end up with two parents who have double surname and now the kid needs a quadruple one
I am referring to the Spanish system where the first last name of the father and the first last name of the mother are given to the children. No changing due to marriage. Makes perfect sense to me.
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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

I'd like to change my name to make it easier for German speakers to pronounce and spell. Just changing the a to and ä in the first syllable of my first name and the last of my surname. Sadly, not possible.
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Re: Father to be with Swiss Wife - Surname issue

Lucky there's no-one from Iceland contributing to this thread. In Iceland you take the given name of the parent and hang a -son or -dottir as appropriate on to the end. Hence the family name changes at each generation. So Mr. Fred Johannson is simply the son of Johann. And his offspring will be Mr. Fredson.
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Lucky there's no-one from Iceland contributing to this thread. In Iceland you take the given name of the parent and hang a -son or -dottir as appropriate on to the end. Hence the family name changes at each generation. So Mr. Fred Johannson is simply the son of Johann. And his offspring will be Mr. Fredson.
Nor from Tibet/Bhutan either. The lama gives you a pair of auspicious words, nearly all of which can go to males and females as either a first or second name. So Mr. Sonam Namgyal, married to Ms. Tenzin Dolma, has a son called Tandin Dorji and a daughter called Sonam Kinga. Not sure how the Swiss would react but it makes most sex changes easy (although it would still be hard to see Dolma in a male name).
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