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Landers 16.06.2021 22:33

Swiss late to the covid party?
 
So I'm now fully vaccinated and I get an SMS saying I can sign up for a home-test abo to get home testing kits sent to me each month.

Then I get a letter asking me to participate in a study wanting to explore how immune we are and they offer an anti=body test. Wouldn't being vaccinated show high antibodies? Couldn't it be assumed that vaccinated people have a high level of immunity??

Seems to me that all this is coming about a year too late.

fatmanfilms 16.06.2021 22:40

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Originally Posted by Landers (Post 3318490)
So I'm now fully vaccinated and I get an SMS saying I can sign up for a home-test abo to get home testing kits sent to me each month.

Then I get a letter asking me to participate in a study wanting to explore how immune we are and they offer an anti=body test. Wouldn't being vaccinated show high antibodies? Couldn't it be assumed that vaccinated people have a high level of immunity??

Seems to me that all this is coming about a year too late.

A friend that had Covid in Geneva last December has incredibly, off the scale antibodies. He spent 2 nights in hospital, he felt he was drowning.

I think they need to do a lot of research, hence asking the questions

3Wishes 16.06.2021 22:42

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A friend that had Covid in Geneva last December has incredibly, off the scale antibodies. He spent 2 nights in hospital, he felt he was drowning.

I think they need to do a lot of research, hence asking the questions

Am I reading that right? Normal is up to 1.09 and he's in the hundreds?? :eek:

Pancakes 16.06.2021 22:43

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You can still catch and spread the virus if you're fully vaccinated.

Perhaps the study wants to monitor the amount of antibodies people have over time, after they've been vaccinated, to help understand when people should have their booster shots?

Landers 16.06.2021 23:11

Re: Swiss late to the covid party?
 
In case anyone is interested.
https://www.swisstph.ch/en/projects/covcobasel/

newtoswitz 16.06.2021 23:28

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You can still catch and spread the virus if you're fully vaccinated.

Not in any of the research Iíve read.

Viral load for vaccinated people is usually below the level necessary to cause the disease, and probably below the level where they would be contagious although this is less certain.

runningdeer 16.06.2021 23:52

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A friend that had Covid in Geneva last December has incredibly, off the scale antibodies. He spent 2 nights in hospital, he felt he was drowning.

I'm another one here with sky high antibodies but without any hospitalization or symptoms (unless they admit it was circulating here in Dec. 2019). According to my Dr. I've had Covid and my levels are many many times higher than any double vaccinated person he's seen. Also he said recovered covid persons have much more antibodies and protection (and this relates to severity of symptoms) than the double vaccinated but there's been little published to date, or mixed results that require further analysis.

Landers 17.06.2021 01:03

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Not in any of the research Iíve read.

Viral load for vaccinated people is usually below the level necessary to cause the disease, and probably below the level where they would be contagious although this is less certain.

When they say the vaccine is xx% effective what does that mean?

Landers 17.06.2021 01:08

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According to my Dr. I've had Covid and my levels are many many times higher than any double vaccinated person he's seen. Also he said recovered covid persons have much more antibodies and protection (and this relates to severity of symptoms) than the double vaccinated but there's been little published to date, or mixed results that require further analysis.

How many double vaccinated people does he check for antibodies? Would seem unnecessary. If there's inconclusive data, how does he know?

fatmanfilms 17.06.2021 06:18

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Am I reading that right? Normal is up to 1.09 and he's in the hundreds?? :eek:

Correct, he asked me what my readings were. I suspect he is a vaccine.

newtoswitz 17.06.2021 07:14

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When they say the vaccine is xx% effective what does that mean?

The number of vaccinated people who catch the disease is xx% less than the number who would have caught it if unvaccinated, in a normal large sample of population.

Also remember that for those who still get it even when vaccinated thereís plenty of evidence that it is less severe, so positive impact is actually >xx%. (Same with flu vaccine, which can be quite low in strict "no flu" effectiveness but very effective against severe flu and hospitalisation)

gipfelisturmer 17.06.2021 09:09

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Am I reading that right? Normal is up to 1.09 and he's in the hundreds?? :eek:

A colleague of mine was still in thousands months after having covid. :msncrazy: I thought it incredible too.

Tom1234 17.06.2021 09:37

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Not in any of the research I’ve read.

Viral load for vaccinated people is usually below the level necessary to cause the disease, and probably below the level where they would be contagious although this is less certain.

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Also remember that for those who still get it even when vaccinated there’s plenty of evidence that it is less severe,

Make your mind up!

Anyway, in your first post you're wrong. Double vaccinations give a lot of protection but not 100% and people should still take precautions -especially with the delta variant.

newtoswitz 17.06.2021 09:46

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Make your mind up!

Anyway, in your first post you're wrong. Double vaccinations give a lot of protection but not 100% and people should still take precautions -especially with the delta variant.

I specifically said "usually" not "always".

Absolutely people should still be careful; we don't know how long it lasts, your immune situation can change to make you more vulnerable, the virus could mutate further which is also impacted by how much of it is around.

makeabigwish 17.06.2021 10:02

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Double vaccinations give a lot of protection but not 100% and people should still take precautions -especially with the delta variant.


What do you see as the dividing line of what precautions one should still take and no longer needs to take against the Delta variant if one has received the full 2 shots plus 2+ weeks?

komsomolez 17.06.2021 10:06

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Originally Posted by 3Wishes (Post 3318494)
Am I reading that right? Normal is up to 1.09 and he's in the hundreds?? :eek:

I guess there is a reason that virology operates with log scales instead of linear analysis.

In a recent podcast, Drosten of Berlin Charite's Institute of Virology explained on a study on viral load how in their world 800.000 and 2.500.000 units per something was basically the same number.

Tom1234 17.06.2021 10:06

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I specifically said "usually" not "always".

Absolutely people should still be careful; we don't know how long it lasts, your immune situation can change to make you more vulnerable, the virus could mutate further which is also impacted by how much of it is around.

Sorry, I was your confused with your "Usually cannot not get the disease, less certain that they are contagious.
I read that as it's certain that they cannot get the disease.

Anyway, people with two vaccinations are dying from the delta variant.

It looks like full immunity is not achieved for several weeks after the second does at which point is still not 100% certain that you will not die if you catch it.

All the more reason for those anti-vaxxers to get vaccinated.

HickvonFrick 17.06.2021 10:11

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Originally Posted by newtoswitz (Post 3318510)
Not in any of the research Iíve read.

Viral load for vaccinated people is usually below the level necessary to cause the disease, and probably below the level where they would be contagious although this is less certain.

The People who get hospitalised after two bosses (so probably are infectious one assumes) seen to be largely those with serious problems with their immune system.

makeabigwish 17.06.2021 10:17

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The People who get hospitalised after two bosses ....


Freudian slip ??

Perhaps a danger when posting from work ??

Yes, "two bosses" would definitely weaken your immune system. :)

Axa 17.06.2021 10:45

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 3318493)
A friend that had Covid in Geneva last December has incredibly, off the scale antibodies. He spent 2 nights in hospital, he felt he was drowning.

I think they need to do a lot of research, hence asking the questions

Autoimmune disorders also exist. Literally, too much of a good thing :(


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