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Actually, apart from the very serious cases needing respirators or developing other heavy sequelae - how is covid actually treated?
Afaik there is no treatment, one just has to go through it, like the flue.
I've been working in the Notfall the last week (surgical patients, not COVID ones) and hearing the medics on the phone answering questions:
- no treatment for the actual infection

Just symptom management possible
- keep fluids up (fever / diarrhoea = water loss)
- pain killers (Dafalgan, ibuprofen, Novalgin) for headache, joint ache, general aches
- call your Hausarzt for specific advice if you have existing illnesses
- oxygen (in hospital) if breathing gets dodgy

So yes....sitting it out is the only option.
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Old 22.08.2021, 15:05
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then went to raid the fastfood places to meet the necessary weight?

Actually, apart from the very serious cases needing respirators or developing other heavy sequelae - how is covid actually treated?
Afaik there is no treatment, one just has to go through it, like the flue.
There's this https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...linical-trials if you get it early after exposure.
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There's this https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...linical-trials if you get it early after exposure.
Switzerland bought 3000 doses of RegN-Cov2 so definitley an option here aswell should the need arise.
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Are you a scientist, immunologist or what not? Or by research, do you mean "read things on the net"?

Later news that on the FLCCC website suggests the jury is still out.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w
Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

https://journals.lww.com/americanthe...ment_of.7.aspx

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Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally...

...Ivermectin is likely to be an equitable, acceptable, and feasible global intervention against COVID-19. Health professionals should strongly consider its use, in both treatment and prophylaxis.
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Old 23.08.2021, 11:43
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Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines

https://journals.lww.com/americanthe...ment_of.7.aspx
Well done (moving the post)

Unless they found out that covid is not a virus but a parasite I see no reason to take this medication.
Not to mention that I don't believe in self-medication. But I know I'm kind of lonely on that stand.
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Old 23.08.2021, 11:47
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Well done (moving the post)

Unless they found out that covid is not a virus but a parasite I see no reason to take this medication.
Not to mention that I don't believe in self-medication. But I know I'm kind of lonely on that stand.
Thanks!

I've no great opinion on Ivermectin one way or the other, there does seem to be mounting evidence though that for whatever reason, it is effective against Covid. The main thing about Ivermectin that interests me is how and why so many in the MSM were and are so quick to shoot it down.
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Old 23.08.2021, 12:02
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Thanks!

I've no great opinion on Ivermectin one way or the other, there does seem to be mounting evidence though that for whatever reason, it is effective against Covid. The main thing about Ivermectin that interests me is how and why so many in the MSM were and are so quick to shoot it down.
The "what ever reason bit" is the crucial point.

Not being part of MSM - if by MSM social media is meant, EF is as far as I go - I hear anything is being shot down there quickly, no?
But be honest, if you were looking for remedy against covid, would it even cross your mind to try a parasite-killer? Even if your were desperately scared?
Well, anybody is welcome to swallow anything they like where I'm concerned but should science ever "proof" this is efficacious, I would want to know about the "reason bit".

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Re: Where to buy ivermectin?

My nephew in the US went to his vet last week to get his dog's monthly heartworm preventative. Heartworm, Dirofilaria immitis, is a dangerous parasite found throughout most of the US and most dogs in the US need to be on a preventative, often Ivermectin based, much of the year.

When my nephew asked for an RX refill he was told the meds were not avilable, as the vet had been burgled and the entire stock stolen. Only Ivermectin was taken so apparently the police are assuming a case of 'Covidiocy'.

What the fork is wrong with people?
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Old 23.08.2021, 12:37
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But be honest, if you were looking for remedy against covid, would it even cross your mind to try a parasite-killer? E
uhh you mean like why would you think that a drug developed to treat heart-related chest pain could be a remedy against ED ??

EDIT: Ivermectin is a cheap drug and off patent - if it did have some value against covid it would wreak havoc with big pharma's stock price.
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uhh you mean like why would you think that a drug developed to treat heart-related chest pain could be a remedy against ED ??

EDIT: Ivermectin is a cheap drug and off patent - if it did have some value against covid it would wreak havoc with big pharma's stock price.
Or a drug developed against prostate cancer would be used to treat hair loss!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride
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But be honest, if you were looking for remedy against covid, would it even cross your mind to try a parasite-killer?
Nope.

If you were suffering from erectile dysfunction would you ever consider trying a heart medicine?

Most inventions/discoveries are flukes.
(I have no opinion/did no research on Ivermectin itself)
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Old 23.08.2021, 14:14
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Nope.

If you were suffering from erectile dysfunction would you ever consider trying a heart medicine?
Not a problem my body will ever come up with
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Old 25.08.2021, 00:48
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then went to raid the fastfood places to meet the necessary weight?

Actually, apart from the very serious cases needing respirators or developing other heavy sequelae - how is covid actually treated?
Afaik there is no treatment, one just has to go through it, like the flue.
Here is a useful list of treatments from Harvard Medical school.
Does not mention Ivermectin.

The major preprint study on the efficacy and safety of ivermectin – a drug used against parasites such as worms and headlice – in treating Covid-19, led by Dr Ahmed Elgazzar from Benha University in Egypt, was published on the Research Square website in November and is often quoted in other papers.

The Elgazzar study was pulled from the Research Square website last month “due to ethical concerns” that were not explained. There are claims of plagiarism and data errors and serious inconsistencies.

A peer-reviewed paper published in June in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases found " Ivermectin did not reduce all-cause mortality, LOS, or viral clearance in RCTs in patients with mostly mild COVID-19. IVM did not have an effect on AEs or SAEs and is not a viable option to treat patients with COVID-19."

Seem to be conflicting views....
Myself I would not take it.
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Thanks!

I've no great opinion on Ivermectin one way or the other, there does seem to be mounting evidence though that for whatever reason, it is effective against Covid. The main thing about Ivermectin that interests me is how and why so many in the MSM were and are so quick to shoot it down.
I have done extensive research on Ivermectin and mind you, I am no scientist so take this for what is worth. I am also vaccinated so take that into account as well.

Ivermectin appears to have very good anti-inflammatory benefits. Dr. Tess Lawrie (which Tony Clifton referenced) has done a meta-analysis on the data of several studies. It was also recently published via the NIH:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34145166/

I think Tony's point regarding why SO MANY discounted Ivermectin at the outset (and this included Merk who initiated the original patent - which has been off patent since 1996) bears consideration. Incidentally, Merk which issued a press release in Spring 2020 and a further statement in Feb 2021 stating they felt Ivermectin had no benefits regarding COVID treatment and even insinuated it could be "dangerous", is actually in the process of developing their own therapeutic...funny that!

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/...d-19-treatment

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-sta...d-19-pandemic/

Ohhh...These pharma companies and their profits. It makes the mind spin!

And so, Ivermectin, a very safe drug which has been around for 40 plus years and costs peanuts to produce is immediately discounted as a treatment - Ask yourself why?

Could that be that the EUA for vaccines could have never been approved with an effective therapeutic available? Mind you, my understanding is that Ivermectin is part of a cocktail of drugs and vitamins which have proven to be effective given Dr Lawrie's and others' analyses.

If you are sceptical, can anyone explain Africa (where Ivermectin is widely dispensed as an anti-malaria drug) or India to me - where certain states used Ivermectin and others did not? Look at the infection rates and data.

To me, Ivermectin is a compelling remedy for one to discuss with their GP if they contract COVID or have long COVID.

Just my thoughts but the data is out there.
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I have done extensive research on Ivermectin and mind you, I am no scientist so take this for what is worth. I am also vaccinated so take that into account as well.

Ivermectin appears to have very good anti-inflammatory benefits. Dr. Tess Lawrie (which Tony Clifton referenced) has done a meta-analysis on the data of several studies. It was also recently published via the NIH:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34145166/

I think Tony's point regarding why SO MANY discounted Ivermectin at the outset (and this included Merk who initiated the original patent - which has been off patent since 1996) bears consideration. Incidentally, Merk which issued a press release in Spring 2020 and a further statement in Feb 2021 stating they felt Ivermectin had no benefits regarding COVID treatment and even insinuated it could be "dangerous", is actually in the process of developing their own therapeutic...funny that!

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/...d-19-treatment

https://www.merck.com/news/merck-sta...d-19-pandemic/

Ohhh...These pharma companies and their profits. It makes the mind spin!

And so, Ivermectin, a very safe drug which has been around for 40 plus years and costs peanuts to produce is immediately discounted as a treatment - Ask yourself why?

Could that be that the EUA for vaccines could have never been approved with an effective therapeutic available? Mind you, my understanding is that Ivermectin is part of a cocktail of drugs and vitamins which have proven to be effective given Dr Lawrie's and others' analyses.

If you are sceptical, can anyone explain Africa (where Ivermectin is widely dispensed as an anti-malaria drug) or India to me - where certain states used Ivermectin and others did not? Look at the infection rates and data.

To me, Ivermectin is a compelling remedy for one to discuss with their GP if they contract COVID or have long COVID.

Just my thoughts but the data is out there.
Any indication that invermectin is safer and cheaper than ibuprofen?
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Old 25.08.2021, 09:17
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Or a drug developed against prostate cancer would be used to treat hair loss!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finasteride
Publication of Trump's medical results confirmed the rumours he took this drug against hair loss.

One side effect is it lowers one's libido which some naughty people have claimed is why there were no sex scandals during his term.

Anyway, feel free to take ivermectin, preferably as a cocktail with another anti-malaria drug, Hydroxychloroquine, despite the manufacturer of ivermectin disputing it is safe to take against COVID.
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Old 25.08.2021, 09:33
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I have done extensive research on Ivermectin and mind you, I am no scientist so take this for what is worth. I am also vaccinated so take that into account as well.

Ivermectin appears to have very good anti-inflammatory benefits. Dr. Tess Lawrie (which Tony Clifton referenced) has done a meta-analysis on the data of several studies. It was also recently published via the NIH:
Actually, the NIH has analysed those same studies here.

Their conclusion was different from Dr. Lawrie;
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Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19
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It was found by Wagstaff and al (monash uni) 10y ago how Ivermectin can act as a specifich inhibitor in replication of HIV1.

And last year in May that same Uni, this time Caly and al, " Drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro"

There were similar findings all around the world and some hospital units in France have used Ivermectin(together with HCQ etc) as a therapy and had 99,9 % success rate (from the start of the pandemic)

I think people who are 40+ have to face and deal fast with the fact how we do live in world that we were not really educated for.. meaning, we should come with peace with the fact how politics and interests are what directs our world and lives and not reason,responsibilities from the authorities(and gov agencies), logic, common sense.
Those who are under 40 should not read stuff like this I think how it's better to still have faith in the system and keep the optimism going.

Goverments on purpose did take off HCQ from pharmacies and forbade the use of HCQ and Ivermectin.. or any protocol . This was done because juridically (in our law) if there is a therapy/cure/protocol then you can not impose vaccines. But if there is no treatement at all the vaccine is the only solution.
This is why GPs, family doctors were told not to give anything but paracetomol and once the patient is worse has to be sent to a hospital.

I've read many different protocols with Ivermectin and I would never purchase it on my own and take it even if I'm sure about the dosage and those details.
I'd take it only once a doctor gives me a prescription especially a doctor who has exprience and understanding of ivermectine,H CQ, azithromycine, because this is a particular anti-viral therapy and has to be adapted to each patient according to their situation.
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It was found by Wagstaff and al (monash uni) 10y ago how Ivermectin can act as a specifich inhibitor in replication of HIV1.

And last year in May that same Uni, this time Caly and al, " Drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro"
"in vitro" means that if you have some cells infected with a virus in a dish and add Ivermectin then virus replication is inhibited.

They have not yet demonstrated that it works as effectively in live animals or in humans; such tests would also have to prove the dose size and frequency required and the safety of that regime.
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These studies are just the science that's behind the medecine..
Ivermectin and HCQ have been used for a very long time in therapies and so many doctors have treated covid patients with Ivermectin, Doxicillin, Famotidine ...
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