can someone confirm what is better for treating covid-19: ivermectin or injected bleach?

Bleach is bad for the environment (no need for it to die now that there's a chance it will survive us), inject white vinegar instead. 80 Rappen/liter in Migros.

Nice tin foil hat. Since pharma companies are routinely suppressing cheap treatments, one wonders how the steroid dexamethasone, which has been shown to work slipped through their nefarious hands.

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Bonjour NotAllThere,

Your logic is this : A big bully, all jacked comes into a class of 5y old children , beats badly everyone except 2-3 of them.

Then you turn to the camera and say " ha, what did I tell you ? He's not a bad guy at all. I mean, if he was a bad one then why didn't he beat these 2-3 ? you see ? stupid paranoid tin foil hats ahahahha"

So how many litres do you need to inject?

The dose varies according to people's age, size, etc.

Just pump it in until it starts flowing out of the ears.

Parables are entertaining literal elements, but they are completely useless to prove anything.

Circular argument.

Your logic stems from the assumption that Big Pharma are all bullies trying to suppress cheap treatments. This is evidenced by the fact that there aren't cheap treatments for many conditions, and that suggested cheap treatments are seldom approved by the regulatory authorities. This happens because Big Pharma are all bullies trying to suppress cheap treatments. Which is evidenced by...

A prime example of circular reasoning.

Ignores the facts that:

• There are plenty of cheap treatments for many conditions.
• Many countries prevent profiteering, and put pressure on pharma companies to not charge so much, since it impacts government spending.
• Regulatory authorities have a remit to protect the public by holding pharma companies to account, ensuring they follow correct clinical testing processes and monitoring after approval.
• Pharma companies are made up of individuals who are not uniformly nasty bullies routinely suppressing cheap treatments.

Sure, abuses and corruption occur, but pharma is not given a free reign. Furthermore, Big Pharma being a bit crap does not mean that magic beans works. And they're not all bad.

• Syngenta developed golden rice (vitamin A enriced rice) and made it freely available.
• Astrazeneca's vaccine is produced at cost. They make not a penny on it. $3 a shot.

TL;DR When you can present evidence of Big Pharma consistently and regularly covering up effective cheap treatments, then I'll take your and Terrifisch's comments seriously. Until then, I'll treat it as a tin-hat conspiracy theory.

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I don't think it's a tin-hat conspiracy. It's just the inability to understand the regulatory situation in the USofA is not representative of the world. Drugs in TV ads are omnipresent. Lax regulation allows crazy pricing.

As you mentioned, some other governments around the world negotiate prices with big pharma.....commies!

there are anti-body cocktails such as the one administered to Trump

Actually, the fathers of those 2-3 came to school early to collect their children and beat the cr#p out of the bully.

You mean bullies like this guy?

I'm willing to keep an open mind regarding Ivermectin, there's currently a study being carried out at Oxford University and am curious to see the results. I'm willing to keep an open mind on any treatment that is discredited by those, especially doctors and scientists, who say that facemasks are an effective measure!

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57570377
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-06-23...rinciple-trial

Except when it doesn't confirm your currently held opinion, then your mind is firmly closed?

I do like the way that you assume that because someone is wrong (in your view) on one point, they must be wrong on all points. If that were true, no-one would ever be right about anything.

No, you've misunderstood, a scientist/doctor that says facemasks are effective and work, despite all of the available evidence, should be viewed with scepticism for anything they utter regarding Covid. This doesn't automatically mean that they are wrong, just that they shouldn't automatically be believed and should be held to some level of scrutiny.

Isn't that the same for everyone? Although there are some people who if they said the sky is blue, I'd quickly go outside to check...

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	Circular argument. TL;DR When you can present evidence of Big Pharma consistently and regularly covering up effective cheap treatments, then I'll take your and Terrifisch's comments seriously. Until then, I'll treat it as a tin-hat conspiracy theory.

NotatAllthere, Reading you I have the impression how I'm sitting with a group of grannies all naive and happy.. yes the sun is shining, birds singing, at the pharmacy there's pill for the headache, at the store werther's original, all is good.
And fine. Great for you. But if I did some circular reasoning whih I didnt.. then we can say you went into the Sorites paradox... and you did

Your grandma arguments are so funny to me because it's that marton logic.."today I dressed up - I am a good person, I just made a cup of coffee- I am a great person" .. No wonder you two get along.

But (I am referrring to your ***) How can you say how "many countries prevent profiteering and put pressure on pharma companies" .. this does sound lovely .. just as the Regulatory authorities...

Dont know why I have to brake your fancy dream of how it's all nice and shiny and regulated .. but NotallThere, there's something like revolving doors that exists for decades and that should ring a bell or simply observe a little bit.

Then look at how many times these companies were fined in billions for fraud,cheating,corruption... (and how may times they escaped that same justice)

Couple of years ago Pfizer made an attempt to buy Astra zeneca for 115$ billions. The question is , how did they make that much? Do you know how much more they have in their stash.? And maybe these companies are so big they're larger and more powerful than a state, a regulatory authority..since they're larger than life


You say "you assume that Big Pharma are all bullies"

I actually dont even assume. I know they're rutheless bullies, real vultures. Do you know why?
Well, because that's business. That's how business works and it's a very dynamic, big $$$, big share market and pressure and if they're not cruel and do the game of grab and fight then their part will be taken by the one who will go for it so yes, it's a dirty business involving bullying, flying the best private jets, the fanciest yachts and all that. And this is how the chemical industry functions, petrol, food ind..

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Because you mentioned the Golden Rice that just motivated me to go write all the above adjectives concerning big pharma but seriously if for one minute you think how golden rice is a positive thing that happened (at any stage of its existence) then ok I won't say anything but it's one of the most horrible ever moves in agriculture/food.

One thing I do understand is how here we have people working in big pharma and such.. Not for a second I think how tech,lab,scientists are responsible for the actions that the corporation is taking,doing and the politics behind it. (or what they need to to as research, creationof a drug or gmo..)

It's two separate things even though it seems how we should put all of that in one basket.
Just like an expert that works in the Ministry of health has nothing to do or wouldn't even agree with certain decisions of the minister or the president or the walmart cashier has nothing to do or knows what and how Walton family is doing business.. this is the same thing.

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