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Old 26.06.2021, 14:59
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

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Regarding adverse events within 15 minutes of vaccination and/or anaphylactic shock: about a week ago a 56-year-old woman died in Greece c. 10 minutes after her second Pfizer shot:

https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/18...fizer-vaccine/

Staying at the scene proves valuable in such an instance, even though medics ultimately could not save her. Given her preexisting conditions and causation/correlation unknowns -- and how easily such a rare case may nonetheless fan undue fears -- this news seems to have remained underreported for good reason.
If you inject 1 billion doses what's the probability of someone dying within 10 minutes of one? Probably pretty reasonable. Her symptoms seem pretty consistent with a heart attack.
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Old 26.06.2021, 15:15
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

They reported it in the local paper when somebody suffered an anaphylactic reaction following their vaccine in Neuchâtel.
The said the risks were about one in 100 000 vaccines and they’d administered 108 000 doses by that time so it wasn’t unexpected especially given that the person concerned had a history of allergies and was being closely monitored anyway.
In this case the reaction happened within 5 minutes and she was quickly transferred to the hospital just round the corner where she made a full recovery and went home a few hours later.
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Old 26.06.2021, 15:24
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

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If you inject 1 billion doses what's the probability of someone dying within 10 minutes of one? Probably pretty reasonable. Her symptoms seem pretty consistent with a heart attack.
Quick bit of googling indicates that there are about 1.2 million sudden cardiac deaths globally every year. This is about 23 every 10 minutes. So in a pool of 1 billion you'd expect about 3.3 to die in 10 minutes which is a probability of about 300 million to one for a single person.
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Old 26.06.2021, 18:07
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

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As it seems like everybody gets fever after the second shot I was wondering if it's just sampling bias (only those who got side effects complaining) or really the case.

Anybody had it lightly?
Sorry, not here. I reported sick the next day, with exhaustion, fever and headache. 🥴
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Old 26.06.2021, 21:27
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If you inject 1 billion doses what's the probability of someone dying within 10 minutes of one? Probably pretty reasonable. Her symptoms seem pretty consistent with a heart attack.
To put it another way. What's the probability that if you inject 1 billion doses of saline solution, someone will die within ten minutes of the jab?
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Old 26.06.2021, 23:05
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

I had a sore arm after the first Moderna shot. After the second shot, my arm hurt less than the first shot and no other side effects.
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Old 27.06.2021, 09:40
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I had my second shot yesterday at noon. All was fine until I went to sleep but I got some fever in the night. Waiting now for the ibuprofen to do its job.
One bad day yesterday and now everything is fine again. Pain in the muscles and joints, a bit feverish and really exhausted. Almost like a one day flu.
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Old 27.06.2021, 10:19
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They reported it in the local paper when somebody suffered an anaphylactic reaction following their vaccine in Neuchâtel.
The said the risks were about one in 100 000 vaccines and they’d administered 108 000 doses by that time so it wasn’t unexpected especially given that the person concerned had a history of allergies and was being closely monitored anyway.
In this case the reaction happened within 5 minutes and she was quickly transferred to the hospital just round the corner where she made a full recovery and went home a few hours later.
This is the first case of severe allergic reaction I heard of.

Now you read more and more about myocarditis as side effect in vaccinated (male) youth with Pfizer, but again it is treatable in a few days apparently.
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Old 27.06.2021, 11:12
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It seems Pfizer results in fewer side effects than Moderna.
Yes, seems so.

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Old 27.06.2021, 12:37
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To put it another way. What's the probability that if you inject 1 billion doses of saline solution, someone will die within ten minutes of the jab?
As I mentioned above, you'd expect about 3 people to die from sudden cardiac death alone. That would also happen if you gathered a billion people (of suitable health that they were capable of walking into a vaccination booth) together and did nothing.

I find it interesting that I've got about a one in 300 million chance of dying in the next 10 minutes. Every 10 minutes. Of course, this is a simple Bayesian inference with a single prior (the global rate of sudden cardiac death). Mix in a few more priors like running down the Grosser Mythen on a wet day in plimsolls or being on your death bed and the probability changes drastically...
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Old 27.06.2021, 13:10
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

Speakeron, that same equation you can apply for Covid.
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Old 27.06.2021, 13:32
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Speakeron, that same equation you can apply for Covid.
I wouldn't say so, since Covid doesn't manifest itself as an apparently healthy person suddenly dropping dead. There are normally a few weeks of respiratory and immune system sequelae culminating with a death rattle on a respirator.

Now, you may say that these were just from the comorbidities that the majority of Covid sufferers have (you need to look at excess deaths over a period to get a handle on that), but we've still mixed in a few more priors so the probabilities have changed.

Having thought about it for a bit more, I suppose you could ask what the probability is that an apparently healthy person will catch Covid and die (but not in the next 10 minutes). I don't have a handy fag packet to work that out on (and the TdF is on, so I can't be bothered), but I think that information is out there and quite well known.

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Old 27.06.2021, 15:26
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

I have been talking to more patients, some Docs from vaccine centres and reading articles online. The medical belief is that anyone who feels dizzy or strange approximately 5 mins after the vaccine is "just nervous" and the stress manifests itself in a physical way by impacting the circulatory system/blood pressure etc.

As the vaccine is not injected into our blood stream, there is apparently no way it can impact or cause a side effect within 5 mins (not talking about anaphylaxis shock).

I can 99% guarantee that what I felt for approximately 2-3 mins was not nerves or fear related. After 5 mins of taking the vaccine, I was completely normal and as usual in a jolly mood, but then I suddenly felt deflated in the head with a sense of doom.

I don't have another logical explanation, so as one Doc told me, maybe people are subconsciously stressed due to all the paranoia around the vaccines

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Old 27.06.2021, 21:45
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

We had the second Moderna jab last week.

After the first jab, OH and I had arm pain but nothing bad. I had a 36 hour headache that started about four days after the first jab. It's unusual that I get a headache and especially a long one, but given the delay I don't know if it was vaccination related.

After the second jab, we had little arm pain. I got flu-like symptoms the day after and all good since then. OH had more severe tiredness and a lingering headache for almost three days. Perhaps the standard dose is too much for a small lady like her.

Odd differences between the first and second jabs given that the doses are the same. But we are done for a while, and here is hoping any booster can wait a while.
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

Like many others, no issue with the first dose except a slightly sore arm.

Second dose: initially nothing (except the sore arm), after 11-12h i started getting the chills (laster about an hour) and wasn't feeling very good for most of the next day (heavy head). The day after was better but my upper body muscles seemed quite tight. Everything back to normal now (2.5 days after the vaccination).
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Old 28.06.2021, 10:14
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Like many others, no issue with the first dose except a slightly sore arm.

Second dose: initially nothing (except the sore arm), after 11-12h i started getting the chills (laster about an hour) and wasn't feeling very good for most of the next day (heavy head). The day after was better but my upper body muscles seemed quite tight. Everything back to normal now (2.5 days after the vaccination).
It probably would help the hobby statisticians if you had stated which vaccine you had been given.
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Old 28.06.2021, 10:24
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It probably would help the hobby statisticians if you had stated which vaccine you had been given.
The thread title specifcally says "Moderna".
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Old 28.06.2021, 10:30
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The thread title specifcally says "Moderna".
LOL! Good point. I never noticed that before.
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Old 28.06.2021, 10:54
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LOL! Good point. I never noticed that before.
I felt left out being a Pfizer person so posted anyway. I doubt there's much difference given the technology is the same.
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Old 28.06.2021, 10:58
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I felt left out being a Pfizer person so posted anyway. I doubt there's much difference given the technology is the same.
I've heard Pfizer has fewer side effects but is more difficult to store, which is why Moderna is being used.
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