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Old 29.06.2021, 09:07
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

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The symptoms are real. The question is: what has caused the symptoms? The injection or the mind? We have moved on from psychosomatic problems being for wimps; we all suffer to some degree.
I think it's too many reporting symptoms for them to be psychosomatic although I am rather surprised about that. These people are all very keen on getting vaccinated, expecting a life-change (well, a daiily-life-change) so why would their psyche create symptoms?
It also seems that the reaction to Moderna is more than to Pfizer.

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I think it's the mind. The symptoms I had after the second shot must have been psychosomatic too, just like Covid is a simple case of mass-hysteria caused by 5G antennas.
Ah, you found the cause! Considering there are not all that many 5G antennas all over the world yet, they must be really dangerous then.
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Old 29.06.2021, 09:32
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

The cause of the symptoms can be grouped into three distinct categories.

Cat. 1- In the first 15-30 Mins of getting the injection.
Cat. 2- In the first 2 to 4 weeks of getting the injection.
Cat. 3- 5g Chip

I have now accompanied 4 people to the vaccine centre and spoken to docs there each time.

Most Cat.1 are apparently "mind" based. Consciously or sub consciously, anxiety manifests itself physically.

Cat.2 are more likely to be "real" but there might be some overlap with "mind" cases.

Cat. 3- The 5g chip has interference and can't get good connection with Skynet servers, this causes the symptoms. When this happens you should stand on a stool, raise your arms holding a metal coat hanger. You will feel normal instantly.
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Old 29.06.2021, 10:05
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

Well, about 20 hours after the 2nd Moderna dose:

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- I hit my right thigh last Saturday while working on my bike. There's a bit of discomfort in that area. It's really funny because I had zero pain on Saturday, Sunday and Monday, and somehow the leg is remembering the hit from Saturday. I guess this is the muscle pain the flyer from the vaccination center mentions.
- I feel a bit cold, during a warm summer morning , but nothing that a cardigan and a coffee cannot fix.
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Old 29.06.2021, 11:05
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Well, about 20 hours after the 2nd Moderna dose:

- sleepy
- I hit my right thigh last Saturday while working on my bike. There's a bit of discomfort in that area. It's really funny because I had zero pain on Saturday, Sunday and Monday, and somehow the leg is remembering the hit from Saturday. I guess this is the muscle pain the flyer from the vaccination center mentions.
- I feel a bit cold, during a warm summer morning , but nothing that a cardigan and a coffee cannot fix.
Sounds you're fine to me.

You pay so much attention to your body that the mind says, "okay if you insist: I didn't particularly enjoy you hitting the thigh last week, I wasn't gonna make a fuss about it but if you keep asking ..."

And it is 16°C outside, for me that is close to the freezing point, vaccine or not. (at 14°C the heating automatically kick-starts around here, just saying).

So why not just enjoy you got away symptom-free (so far andyway)?
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Old 29.06.2021, 11:15
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Sounds you're fine to me.

You pay so much attention to your body that the mind says, "okay if you insist: I didn't particularly enjoy you hitting the thigh last week, I wasn't gonna make a fuss about it but if you keep asking ..."

And it is 16°C outside, for me that is close to the freezing point, vaccine or not. (at 14°C the heating automatically kick-starts around here, just saying).

So why not just enjoy you got away symptom-free (so far andyway)?
Just scientific curiosity I guess it's symptom free but the little discomfort in the thigh while sitting up and down is quirky for coming back after 3 days, so it triggers the curiosity.

Well, I keep drinking water as if it were beer. Better stay well-hydrated.
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

As the day is progressing I am definitely feeling rougher. I have minor muscle aches/discomfort all over my body (especially legs), my head is a bit fuzzy and I have a mild headache behind the eyes. My resting heart rate is also about 20% higher than normal. Seems like my body is definitely at work creating the resistance and my friends also reported similar symptoms the next day.
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Old 29.06.2021, 13:31
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The cause of the symptoms can be grouped into three distinct categories.

Cat. 1- In the first 15-30 Mins of getting the injection.

Most Cat.1 are apparently "mind" based. Consciously or sub consciously, anxiety manifests itself physically.
The rest are severe allergic reactions. I'd imagine it's the anxiety of that behind the psychosomatic responses.
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

I had a 39-40C fever/aches/chills starting 8-9 hours after vaccination, and this lasted for 36 hours. After that, the fever and all other symptoms vanished and I was left with a bit of a headache and was otherwise fine. My husband reacted similarly but with a lower fever.
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The rest are severe allergic reactions. I'd imagine it's the anxiety of that behind the psychosomatic responses.
I wasn't anxious until I read this thread, now I'm
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Old 29.06.2021, 15:42
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

About 2 hours ago some knee pain appeared. I remember this pain when I was growing as a teenager, some debilitating pain/cold in the knees.

But, WTF with the nostalgia? I feel like almost calling my mom. So, pain is normal, nothing more than you get from a good run or long bike ride. But the feeling of missing something is overwhelming. The emotional trip one experiences when climbing a mountain or running a long race. You get sad for a while, then euphoria, then once again sad, repeat 10 times and I'm getting close to the marathon finish line. If this experience of motionless traveler intensifies I'll give the Moderna vaccine a 10/10.

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Old 29.06.2021, 15:57
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About 2 hours ago some knee pain appeared. I remember this pain when I was growing as a teenager, some debilitating pain/cold in the knees.

But, WTF with the nostalgia? I feel like almost calling my mom. So, pain is normal, nothing more than you get from a good run or long bike ride. But the feeling of missing something is overwhelming. The emotional trip one experiences when climbing a mountain or running a long race. You get sad for a while, then euphoria, then once again sad, repeat 10 times and I'm getting close to the marathon finish line. If this experience of motionless traveler intensifies I'll give the Moderna vaccine a 10/10.

PS. still not feeling the need to buy MSFT shares.
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About 2 hours ago some knee pain appeared. I remember this pain when I was growing as a teenager, some debilitating pain/cold in the knees.

But, WTF with the nostalgia? I feel like almost calling my mom. So, pain is normal, nothing more than you get from a good run or long bike ride. But the feeling of missing something is overwhelming. The emotional trip one experiences when climbing a mountain or running a long race. You get sad for a while, then euphoria, then once again sad, repeat 10 times and I'm getting close to the marathon finish line. If this experience of motionless traveler intensifies I'll give the Moderna vaccine a 10/10.

PS. still not feeling the need to buy MSFT shares.
My MSFT shares bought after Pfizer are already up 15%. If there is a chip implanted its a benevolent one!
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Old 29.06.2021, 20:09
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What are your symptoms now? (If you don't mind me asking...)
They have gone now, but it was flu-like symptoms: aches and pains, fever and so on.
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

I have a feeling that most people here already know this, but I was just reading an interview where it is explained why people often or sometimes experience side effects from the second dose of the vaccine(s). The interview is in the form of Q & A, so I'll copy and paste that bit here, about side effects (link to the interview at the end):

In this Q&A, Dr. Melanie Swift, co-chair of the COVID-19 Vaccine Allocation and Distribution Work Group at Mayo Clinic, explains why vaccine side effects happen and what is known about symptoms following COVID-19 vaccination:

Why do people experience side effects from COVID-19 vaccines?

When we get vaccinated for COVID-19, we often experience some side effects. The reason that we get side effects is that our immune system is revving up and reacting. When you get sick, the same thing happens. Actually, a lot of the symptoms from illnesses that we get, like influenza and COVID-19, are actually not caused by the direct action of the virus, but rather by our immune system. Our bodies react, and that gives us these general symptoms like fever, achiness and headache.

Why are some people more likely to experience side effects after the second dose of a COVID-19 vaccine?

When you take two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine, the first dose is the first time for your body to see the spike protein that the COVID-19 vaccines produce, and your body begins to develop an immune response. But that happens slowly. Then when you come back with a second dose, your body is ready to attack it. Your body is primed by that first dose of vaccine. The second vaccine dose goes into your body, starts to make that spike protein, and your antibodies jump on it and rev up your immune system response. It's kind of like they've studied for the test. And it's acing the test.


https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/d...ld-feel-worse/

So it doesn't really make sense to me for someone to say that the side effects are mostly just psychosomatic. It's the effects of your immune system being sent into overdrive.

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I have a mild headache behind the eyes...
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I have a feeling that most people here already know this, but I was just reading an interview where it is explained why people often or sometimes experience side effects from the second dose of the vaccine(s). The interview is in the form of Q & A, so I'll copy and paste that bit here, about side effects (link to the interview at the end):

In this Q&A, Dr. Melanie Swift, co-chair of the COVID-19 Vaccine Allocation and Distribution Work Group at Mayo Clinic, explains why vaccine side effects happen and what is known about symptoms following COVID-19 vaccination:

Why do people experience side effects from COVID-19 vaccines?

When we get vaccinated for COVID-19, we often experience some side effects. The reason that we get side effects is that our immune system is revving up and reacting. When you get sick, the same thing happens. Actually, a lot of the symptoms from illnesses that we get, like influenza and COVID-19, are actually not caused by the direct action of the virus, but rather by our immune system. Our bodies react, and that gives us these general symptoms like fever, achiness and headache.

Why are some people more likely to experience side effects after the second dose of a COVID-19 vaccine?

When you take two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine, the first dose is the first time for your body to see the spike protein that the COVID-19 vaccines produce, and your body begins to develop an immune response. But that happens slowly. Then when you come back with a second dose, your body is ready to attack it. Your body is primed by that first dose of vaccine. The second vaccine dose goes into your body, starts to make that spike protein, and your antibodies jump on it and rev up your immune system response. It's kind of like they've studied for the test. And it's acing the test.


https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/d...ld-feel-worse/

So it doesn't really make sense to me for someone to say that the side effects are mostly just psychosomatic. It's the effects of your immune system being sent into overdrive.
There is something peculiar indeed about that post-jab headache that Chuff, my OH and I got among many others I suspect: It is very much in the front of the brain, not higher up or in the back like most headaches I know. It's like Moderna is trying to give us an Ajna awakening.

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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

Well, woke up at 5am today feeling pretty fresh and rested (I'm an early riser in general). Arm pain has reduced a lot and I can now lift it over my shoulder without too much trouble. Heart rate is back to normal and body aches and pains seem to have abated.

Seems like it was one day of discomfort while my body did its work responding to the vaccine and now back on track. Looking forward to that sweet high levels of near-immunity next week.
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Cat. 3- The 5g chip has interference and can't get good connection with Skynet servers, this causes the symptoms. When this happens you should stand on a stool, raise your arms holding a metal coat hanger. You will feel normal instantly.
You may also need to reboot the chip.

The best way to do this is to press your belly button while sticking a finger up your left nostril and holding thus for five seconds while singing La Marseillaise.
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Re: Anybody got the second Moderna shot without sideeffecs?

The vaccine trip did not improve, so not really a psychoactive substance

At some point 28 hours after the second dose I started sweating and felt very tired. I usually don't sleep before midnight but yesterday I went to bed earlier.

This morning much better, I guess that was it. The normal flu feels much worse than the vaccine.
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2nd Pfizer shot was yesterday evening.

Slept 8 hrs and woke up refreshed, feeling really good, just a sore delt. Want to do some deadlifting and sauna this afternoon if I still feel ok. More than likely will do a few kettlebell swings instead however - don't wanna stress the body too much.

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