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Old 22.08.2021, 15:39
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I'm afraid that your sacrifice was for nothing. The protection from the vaccine was overstated a lot. For Israel it went down from 95% to 75% to 64% to 39% according to CNBC. Still dropping. If CNBC says 39% I guess it is actually much lower maybe under 20%, after a few months it's probably <10%. At which point you would be better getting salted water.

That you stop transmitting the disease if you are vaccinated seems to be another urban myth.
Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delt...e-illness.html

"Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country’s Health Ministry.

The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data."
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Old 22.08.2021, 16:01
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But salted water doesn’t ease travel and indoor dining etc. The magic QR code does.
If it comes with a QR code, it does. It happened, so this won't be something new.
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Old 22.08.2021, 16:06
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Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delt...e-illness.html

"Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country’s Health Ministry.

The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data."
Sobering statistics. So I have a 60% of getting Covid but a 90% that it will I will have weaker symptoms. I had hoped for better immunization against COVID but I suppose the vaccine was made before the Delta variant hit.

Are vaccines being updated to include immunization against the Delta variant?
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Old 22.08.2021, 16:13
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Did they get harder?
Does it have a similiar effect with men knowing how that's a domain where Pfizer excells?
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Old 22.08.2021, 18:07
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Re: Had a third 'booster' jab yet ?

Even CDC currently does not have any guidelines on boosters for potentially waning immunity outside of 'at risk' populations (Which are the usual suspects of HCW & >65 yo)

Theoretically, only serology tests to assess Ab levels can drive those decisions but commercial tests are largely unreliable requiring specialty labs. The US govt/WH however is now saying 8 months after your vaccination (No supporting evidence cited), recommendation of booster due to waning antibody levels

Let's see what the global response is since much of COVID health policies have trickled down from CDC
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Old 22.08.2021, 18:54
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I can't find anything online about the booster shot in Kanton Luzern, but I will ask my doctor when I have a routine check in two weeks time. Being Switzerland, it is almost certainly going to be different in each Kanton.
The only up-side of the low vaccination rate here is that there should be plenty of shots available.
What's a "routine check"? What does the doctor check/do at such a consult?
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Old 22.08.2021, 19:42
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Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delt...e-illness.html

"Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, according to a new report from the country’s Health Ministry.

The two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data."
This makes me quite sad ... do those numbers change with the booster? I’m so tired

Do we have numbers on Moderna’s effectiveness with the delta variant?
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Old 22.08.2021, 19:46
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This makes me quite sad ... do those numbers change with the booster? I’m so tired

Do we have numbers on Moderna’s effectiveness with the delta variant?
I don't have the exact numbers, but I have read recently that Moderna has been shown to be more effective against the Delta variant than Pfizer.

The good news is that even with the Delta variant, "breakthrough infections" are usually more mild (according to that article in my original link). So someone is still better off getting the vaccine than not.
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Old 22.08.2021, 19:48
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What's a "routine check"? What does the doctor check/do at such a consult?
They earn money. It's in the top 5 of unneeded test and treatments.
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Old 22.08.2021, 20:11
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What's a "routine check"? What does the doctor check/do at such a consult?
I can't speak for KiwiSteve, but I do know that sometimes people have conditions that require routine check-ups. For me, it's usually a blood test to check my levels of vitamin D, iron, potassium, etc. and a yearly ultrasound on my heart.
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Old 22.08.2021, 20:23
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I'm going to one of these unneed treatments tomorrow.
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Old 22.08.2021, 21:26
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Does it have a similiar effect with men knowing how that's a domain where Pfizer excells?
I kinda even don't feel like even joking about it

Could be gruyere, too.

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Old 22.08.2021, 21:29
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Re: Had a third 'booster' jab yet ?

How long do we need to wait after getting 2nd dose before getting the 3rd one?
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Old 22.08.2021, 22:14
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Re: Had a third 'booster' jab yet ?

Meanwhile UK's antibody test rollout is effectively a targeted booster campaign which is interesting in theory but in practice for all those double vaccinated over 50 it will need to address a few points:

1. How the benefit of such boosters exceeds the benefit of vaccinating younger people who may be immunocompromised

2. How it’s helping the unvaccinated in low/middle income countries

3. Robustness of the serology testing


WHO have called for a moratorium on boosters and across the US there is a lot of debate about the lack of evidence to support any booster program (esp. when <30% are vaccinated) for now when last month CDC & FDA said boosters weren't needed

This too will be politicized without a clear understanding for some time still
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Old 22.08.2021, 22:20
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How long do we need to wait after getting 2nd dose before getting the 3rd one?
I think that's still being studied, but I remember reading that boosters are planned to begin this Autumn (?). It will be interesting to see how that turns out. For one thing, I'm curious about any side-effects from the boosters and if they might be similar to the side effects from the second dose.

I'm also curious as to what studies are being done in regard to monitoring antibody levels -- particularly of those people who received their vaccines early (e.g. last December / January) and what the data is showing in regard to their current antibody levels.
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Old 23.08.2021, 00:33
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I think that's still being studied, but I remember reading that boosters are planned to begin this Autumn (?). It will be interesting to see how that turns out.
Our elderly neighbour had her first 2 jabs in March and April. After an mediocre antibody test result, she had a 3rd in May. She's already booked in for a booster next month with another antibody test in early October. All of this was arranged through her own GP.
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I can't speak for KiwiSteve, but I do know that sometimes people have conditions that require routine check-ups. For me, it's usually a blood test to check my levels of vitamin D, iron, potassium, etc. and a yearly ultrasound on my heart.
This is why I was asking. You sometimes read about people having generic routine checkups though without symptons and/or pre-existing conditions and I've never been able to determine what for. I mean there's no time to test everything in your body surely (not even everything significant) without something to narrow down what should be checked.

That's why I was asking. Perhaps someone knows a good reason/method I have not been able to come up with. For now I'm running under the assumption/hypothesis that it's unneccessary/infeasible to do in a practical and effective manner.
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Old 23.08.2021, 13:29
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I'm also curious as to what studies are being done in regard to monitoring antibody levels -- particularly of those people who received their vaccines early (e.g. last December / January) and what the data is showing in regard to their current antibody levels.
Will report back in late September. I am one of the early vaccinated people being monitored for antibody levels over time for research purposes and I'll have my six-month post-vaccination antibody results in about a month. Have been tested at regular intervals since March, and they let me know what my antibody levels are after each blood draw.

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Old 23.08.2021, 13:30
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Re: Had a third 'booster' jab yet ?

I'll get the booster if it's recommended or offered.
However by the time they get around to 'normal' (ie, not classed as vulnerable) I guess a good many of us would have had the Delta anyway by then though (as transmission cannot be stopped by current cache of vaccines).
In which case I'd prefer to have the antibodies checked first.
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Big pharma has very limited interest in vaccines. Not very profitable.
That's just not true. Vaccine manufacturing is very profitable.
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