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Which cantons let you live in a couple without getting married?

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Does anyone knows which canton/s lets you live with your partner without getting married? (As partner being EU without a job here in Switzerland, but somewhere else)





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Re: Which cantons let you live in a couple without getting married?

There is no obligation in Switzerland to marry before living together. As long as you are both adults.
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Re: Which cantons let you live in a couple without getting married?

Anyone can live together, however you will have no special rights, such as inheritance, family reunion, etc.

If you are talking about concubinage, I think only three have that, ZH, NE, VD.

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Re: Which cantons let you live in a couple without getting married?

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Hello everyone!
Does anyone knows which canton/s lets you live with your partner without getting married? (As partner being EU without a job here in Switzerland, but somewhere else)
Thanks in advance!!!!
Indeed it was illegal once in parts of Switzerland but this prohibition was lifted 1972 in Kanton Zürich, 1992 in Kanton Schwyz und 1995 in Kanton Wallis.

Your question I guess is more about the EU partner not having a job here? Is this a residence permit question?
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Old 03.09.2021, 09:36
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Re: Which cantons let you live in a couple without getting married?

We're also assuming 'partner' is of the opposite sex...



If they are non-dependent (not married to you) and EU then they can just get their own job and separate permit... and stay independent...
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Old 03.09.2021, 09:52
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Re: Which cantons let you live in a couple without getting married?

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Anyone can live together, however you will have no special rights, such as inheritance, family reunion, etc.
Nor next of kin rights, which can be problematic when it comes to health decisions, hospital visitation.
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Re: Which cantons let you live in a couple without getting married?

But same-sex marriages are coming to Switzerland. Already adopted by Parliament and about to be ratified by public vote.
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Old 03.09.2021, 10:18
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We're also assuming 'partner' is of the opposite sex...

If they are non-dependent (not married to you) and EU then they can just get their own job and separate permit... and stay independent...
We are?
I wasn't.

But even in the case of same sex, your info stands. Only the partner already has a job. Outside of Switzerland. If I took a wild guess in a neighbouring country or remote as living here would still be possible for the partner.

Thread already derailing, OP did not ask for health decisions, hospital visitation rights and definitely doesn't want to get married (what ever sex the partner is).
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Re: Which cantons let you live in a couple without getting married?

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But same-sex marriages are coming to Switzerland. Already adopted by Parliament and about to be ratified by public vote.
Would not be so sure... even if majority of people vote for it, I have a bad feeling that Ständemehr might have a say this time round as well...
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Indeed it was illegal once in parts of Switzerland but this prohibition was lifted 1972 in Kanton Zürich, 1992 in Kanton Schwyz und 1995 in Kanton Wallis.

Your question I guess is more about the EU partner not having a job here? Is this a residence permit question?
Exactly, i guess st2lemans answered the question... shame its not the case for the canton of Schwyz
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remote as living here would still be possible for the partner.
That's spot on! But i guess the closest canton that lets me do that would be ZH
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That's spot on! But i guess the closest canton that lets me do that would be ZH
Zug "should" also allow it. I know of at least one successful case of concubine permit being given there.
I'd suggest to contact the Zug cantonal authorities.
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Old 03.09.2021, 11:14
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Exactly, i guess st2lemans answered the question... shame its not the case for the canton of Schwyz
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That's spot on! But i guess the closest canton that lets me do that would be ZH
Does that mean you want to draw up a Konkubinatsvertrag? Why? To get a resience permit for your partner? That won't work:

<<Cohabiting couples do not enjoy these privileges [of married people]. A claim to residence for a foreign cohabiting partner could possibly be derived from the principle of respect for private life enshrined in the Constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights.

However, the courts are still very reluctant to apply this principle. If the partners can reasonably be expected to live abroad, a claim to residence of the foreign partner in Switzerland is currently still denied.>>
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what isn't?


Does that mean you want to draw up a Konkubinatsvertrag? Why? To get a resience permit for your partner? That won't work:

<<Cohabiting couples do not enjoy these privileges [of married people]. A claim to residence for a foreign cohabiting partner could possibly be derived from the principle of respect for private life enshrined in the Constitution and the European Convention on Human Rights.

However, the courts are still very reluctant to apply this principle. If the partners can reasonably be expected to live abroad, a claim to residence of the foreign partner in Switzerland is currently still denied.>>
See here.
What if she opens here her own company? Could that work so she can get a permit and stay?

Thanks!!!
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Re: Which cantons let you live in a couple without getting married?

Since she is EU, the quickest, simplest way for her to live in Switzerland would be for her to get a job here. Then, as long as she earns enough to live (on quite a low economic level), she'll automatically get a permit.

I'm not sure of experience in this regard, but wonder whether, to facilitate her proving that she doesn't needing to earn a great deal, you could set up a rental contract (you as landlord, she as tenant) for a low-ish amount. Not a silly Fr. 100 contract that is clearly fake, but perhaps for Fr. 400 or Fr. 600 (depending on the rents where you live), rather than what she'd have to pay were she renting inedependently.

I understand that she actually has a job abroad, and wants to continue with that. Fair enough. Is there perhaps any way for her to reduce that job just enough to start a lesser one, here, which would pay her enough to qualify for her own self-supporting permit, independent of yours?
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Since she is EU, the quickest, simplest way for her to live in Switzerland would be for her to get a job here. Then, as long as she earns enough to live (on quite a low economic level), she'll automatically get a permit.

I'm not sure of experience in this regard, but wonder whether, to facilitate her proving that she doesn't needing to earn a great deal, you could set up a rental contract (you as landlord, she as tenant) for a low-ish amount. Not a silly Fr. 100 contract that is clearly fake, but perhaps for Fr. 400 or Fr. 600 (depending on the rents where you live), rather than what she'd have to pay were she renting inedependently.

I understand that she actually has a job abroad, and wants to continue with that. Fair enough. Is there perhaps any way for her to reduce that job just enough to start a lesser one, here, which would pay her enough to qualify for her own self-supporting permit, independent of yours?
I don't think there is any reason that you cannot have a job abroad (as only job) when living in Switzerland. Of course many people prefer to do it the other way around, combining Swiss income with lower costs of life abroad. But the reverse exists as well. I know a guy who works in Germany as an IT specialist but lives in Switzerland. His wife is Swiss.
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Since she is EU, the quickest, simplest way for her to live in Switzerland would be for her to get a job here. Then, as long as she earns enough to live (on quite a low economic level), she'll automatically get a permit.

I'm not sure of experience in this regard, but wonder whether, to facilitate her proving that she doesn't needing to earn a great deal, you could set up a rental contract (you as landlord, she as tenant) for a low-ish amount. Not a silly Fr. 100 contract that is clearly fake, but perhaps for Fr. 400 or Fr. 600 (depending on the rents where you live), rather than what she'd have to pay were she renting inedependently.

I understand that she actually has a job abroad, and wants to continue with that. Fair enough. Is there perhaps any way for her to reduce that job just enough to start a lesser one, here, which would pay her enough to qualify for her own self-supporting permit, independent of yours?
Far too complicated!
No need for funny stunts and "work-arounds". I she gets a job in Switzerland, she will get a permit and there is nothing to hide about moving in with the boyfriend.

Still, as it is unusual to wanna live but not work here (most come to make money, not spend it here of all places ) I would ask the "Gemeinde" how to go about this, eg which office to ask.
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His wife is Swiss.
Therein lies the difference. But OP and his partner don't seem to want to get married.
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Re: Which cantons let you live in a couple without getting married?

Maybe this:
https://www.accurity.ch/2020/11/13/y...t-or-employer/

or this, slightly differently:
https://www.englishforum.ch/employme...-register.html
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Hello everyone!


Does anyone knows which canton/s lets you live with your partner without getting married? (As partner being EU without a job here in Switzerland, but somewhere else)





Thanks in advance!!!!
Need to ask the natural question: are you and your partner the same gender‘. If so, then there is a vote that will take place very soon to allow same gender marriages. And it will probably pass. Great! But TBH, wouldn‘t want all the hassle of marriage - never, every again.
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