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Respect to all the solo mums on public transport

I was alone pushing my daughter in one of the smallest lightweight strollers in the world (GB Pockit) and bringing her for grocery shopping during the weekend. I found myself having to carry the entire stroller alone up the steps of the tram into the "baby carriage".

I use quotes because these older trams have stairs and a hand railing right down the middle of the entrance. The only reason it's a baby carriage is because there's some empty space to park the stroller. The boarding of these older trams is a huge hassle, and I found myself having to lift the entire stroller up with the baby over the railing to board the tram. The door sensors were crap as well and kept slamming shut on me and the baby as I was walking up the steps. I had to shout to the driver to hold the door after pressing the open button multiple times to reopen it.

After I finally boarded the tram, I turned around to see a mum with a toddler and a baby in a "stroller". I used quotes on "stroller" because it looked more like a monster truck. It was a massive AWD behemoth with gigantic offroad tires, and was decked out with organizer bags all over it. You can almost see the baby shredding on a flaming axe a la Mad Max. The door slammed shut on the mum as it did on me, and there was no open button from the inside for me to hold the door for her. After she opened the door again, I quickly rushed on to the steps and together we heaved the entire monstrosity with the baby over the railing.

I have absolutely no idea what the mum's plan was here if I wasn't around, since there was no one else but me and the driver. But given that she had a toddler running around, she's probably done this many times. Probably could solo carry the entire stroller up the steps herself.

At the next stop, more mums with monster trucks had to board. One of them had her husband carry it, but the others just kept waiting until someone onboard (me) went to help them out.

This is crazy. I'm referring to the fact that baby carriage entrances don't have ramps, and solo mums getting around on public transport with gargantuan strollers. Here I am shouting at the driver to hold the door with a travel sized stroller, and mums be travelling around with tanks like it's nothing. If I were pushing the Hindenburg around on public transport, I'd have to constantly psyche myself up when the tram arrives. "You can do this! That railing won't stop us!" Something like that.

I have no clue how all y'all have been doing it alone, but you have my respect.
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Old 07.10.2021, 02:13
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Re: Respect to all the solo mums on public transport

FYI for those who find boarding/exiting public transportation daunting:

When I was at my wobbliest and climbing train or tram steps might as well have been climbing the Eiger, I found this from the ZVV helpful:
https://www.zvv.ch/zvv-assets/servic...indernisse.pdf

Shows which trains, trams and busses have barrier free entrance, which are possible with (advance reserved) help, and which are not accessible. Ditto stations/stops.

While this is intended for disabled folks, parents with strollers face many of the same difficulties in bording/exiting public transportation.

It's a shame that not all trains/trams/busses/stations/stops are accessible; I hope that the goal is to eventually convert all transportation. But until then, I found this site helpful in planning my journey.
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Re: Respect to all the solo mums on public transport

No kids, no such problems What about solo fathers? Wait till someone reports your post for being sexist

Generally you should wait for the next modern tram and problem solved. I don't know why some parents insist on catching those antique trams, that also with Humvee prams!
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No kids, no such problems What about solo fathers? Wait till someone reports your post for being sexist
No need. I noticed it already. As a grandfather I take the grandkids on public transport. So ageist as well!

When my kids had strollers - 20+ years ago, it was far more difficult to use public transport than now. We had to fold up the stroller before boarding. While herding a few toddlers. I remember thinking, on an unmade road, why don't they make a pram with bigger wheels. I always regret not thinking "I should make and market off-road strollers".

In Basel, most of the buses and trams (even the older models) have low level entry points for prams and strollers.
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Re: Respect to all the solo mums on public transport

My friend was going to bring in first the stroller and then the kid and the dors were clothed and the tram left with her empty stroller and the bag hanging on it.

I remember that railing in the middle got stuck between the twin wheels of my lightweight stroller and I could not get past it while the door kept shutting and shutting on me. My both kids go to school already and I'm very disappointed that the problem still exists.
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No need. I noticed it already. As a grandfather I take the grandkids on public transport. So ageist as well!
For some reason I thought that you were in your early 20s
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For some reason I thought that you were in your early 20s
Why thank you, young sir.
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What about solo fathers?
"No wonder he's a stay at home dad"
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What about solo fathers?
It doesn't work out well.
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Re: Respect to all the solo mums on public transport

Not the same form of transport, but when my youngest son was 6 weeks old I flew with him and my elder boy (20 months old) to City Airport. I had a double buggy affair in tandem style and obviously all my bags and baggage. At City I was taken out and interviewed by Immigration and asked lots of questions about my marital status, my husband etc etc. During the interview I had to feed the baby and also gave a snack to my other child. Clearly the thought was that I had taken my children without their father's consent. Once it was resolved I asked why on earth that had ever occurred to them. They simply said that they couldn't conceive of anyone in their right mind choosing to travel with two such young children and expressed their admiration for the feat. Not to be sexist, but they were both men. Goodness knows what they would think if they saw people struggling to get on a Zürich tram.
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After I finally boarded the tram, I turned around to see a mum with a toddler and a baby in a "stroller". I used quotes on "stroller" because it looked more like a monster truck. It was a massive AWD behemoth with gigantic offroad tires, and was decked out with organizer bags all over it. You can almost see the baby shredding on a flaming axe a la Mad Max.
It was this stroller.

Respect for using it on a tram.
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Generally you should wait for the next modern tram and problem solved. I don't know why some parents insist on catching those antique trams, that also with Humvee prams!
There are some lines (#5, #8) on which mostly old trams are used. One can either wait 2-3 trams (until the modern one comes), or can request help from strangers for boarding.

Thus being said, for travelling with kids Zurich is one of the best cities that I know.
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They simply said that they couldn't conceive of anyone in their right mind choosing to travel with two such young children and expressed their admiration for the feat.
I flew from Geneva to Luton a few years back. There was a dad with two young kids. Pretty heroic feat as well!

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Thus being said, for travelling with kids Zurich is one of the best cities that I know.
Basel is better. More modern trams around.
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Try getting a baby through an airport with a pushchair solo. Awful.
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No kids, no such problems What about solo fathers? Wait till someone reports your post for being sexist
I have low self-esteem and don't respect myself.

Joking aside, I didn't see any solo dads pushing strollers other than me that day. Nor old people. So I'm not going to go out of my way to call them out to give kudos. It's a very broad spectrum category of non-mums out there.

This is akin to me seeing someone help another person cross the road and telling them "wow you're a good person" only to have a bunch of people jumping out of Coop, Migros and die Post pointing fingers at me, "HEY! I'M GOOD TOO YOU JERK!" I'm glad you're proud of yourself I guess?
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FYI for those who find boarding/exiting public transportation daunting:

When I was at my wobbliest and climbing train or tram steps might as well have been climbing the Eiger, I found this from the ZVV helpful:
https://www.zvv.ch/zvv-assets/servic...indernisse.pdf
This is really useful! Thanks!
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I found out that having a foldable stroller and an "off-road" i.e. gigantic one and using them according to the situation pretty much saved my days.....I simply used the "tiny" one when travelling by public transportation and avoided having more than a back pack. I didn't go shopping more than a few things when my kids were babies. I would leave the OH at home to baby sit and go on my own to enjoy the experience lol.
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Try getting a baby through an airport with a pushchair solo. Awful.
Getting a baby with a pushchair - easy. When we fly from Ukraine we arrive to the furthest gate possible (something like E63) and I can get back the stroller only near the exit where you get your luggage, so I have to carry my toddler all the way to the exit, through the train from the E terminal, through passport control etc. In toddlers age my both kids tend to be awake through the whole flight and fall asleep just before landing. So I have to carry the sleeping child all the way, manage to show my passport and permit somehow, and as I finally get my stroller and try to put a kid there she/he is already awake of course.

I've heard that there are strollers now, which you can take to the plane with you and put in the overhead compartment. I wish I had it when my kids were small.
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Getting a baby with a pushchair - easy. When we fly from Ukraine we arrive to the furthest gate possible (something like E63) and I can get back the stroller only near the exit where you get your luggage, so I have to carry my toddler all the way to the exit, through the train from the E terminal, through passport control etc. In toddlers age my both kids tend to be awake through the whole flight and fall asleep just before landing. So I have to carry the sleeping child all the way, manage to show my passport and permit somehow, and as I finally get my stroller and try to put a kid there she/he is already awake of course.
I hear ya'...
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...or can request help from strangers for boarding.
This. Granted, OP said that on that day he was the only one around. But yes, it is my experience that, in public transport, people are remarkably helpful, when asked. This includes helping to lift something into or out of a tram, as well as giving up seats to those who need them.

When not asked, though, people seem to just carry on with their own matters (often their phone) and not notice any need around them. Because of this, if one comes from a culture where it is usual for people to offer help, this can feel odd and unkind. However, asking is the norm, here. In all my years, I've only twice known of someone to actually refuse help, but in both cases others then immediately offered.

In my mind, I'll always hope for blessings upon a particular young man whom I asked - before the bus arrived - to please help me lift an unwieldy trolley full of junk into the bus. I was on my way to dispose of it. He did, gladly. Once we were on board, he asked me where I was going to get out, then phoned his friends to say he'd be about 20 minutes' late, because he was changing his route so he could help me get that trolley out again. What a lovely, kind gesture!
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