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Re: Breast feeding

Starbucks (particularly the one half way down Bahnhofstrasse, with the lift to the lower level) is often swarming with buggies, many belonging to breastfeeding mums, especially on weekdays... I still pop in there if the need arises whiel I'm in the city now, though with a toddler I do feel a lot less comfortable about doing it in public than I used to. They also have changing facilities in both the women's and men's loos, so I am told. Jelmoli and Globus both have changing facilities on the upper floors, though Jelmoli is a lot more accessible (the disabled toilet is large, near the lifts, and has room to take the buggy in too).

I haven't encountered any specific feeding facilities, but I can honestly say I've never had any bad experiences or comments here, my personal impression is that breastfeeding in public is fairly widely accepted here (wish I could say the same for the occasions I've done it in the UK! ), or maybe it's actually as a previous poster suggested, plain nudity is just more acceptable here, which would seem to make sense if gym changing rooms and public saunas are anything to go by. I know it's easy for someone else to say, but it does get easier the more you do it and you begin to care less about what other people see and think. Most people, if they even realise what you're doing, will actually look away.

On the early evening drinks / starbucks alternatives, it's now sooo much easier now the smoking ban is in place. We had dinner in the Lion pub the other week... and we weren't the only ones there with a buggy. Have also been to the Henrici cafe on the Niederdorf, on that particular occasion the staff bent over backwards to help us; Bubbles and Schmuklerski in Wiedikon were similar... The Kantorei (on Neumarkt square up the back of Niederdorf) is also buggy friendly, and even offered free juice/cordial for kids last time I was there. If there's somewhere you want to go, just give it a try, just have a plan B in case your plan A isn't so buggy/child friendly. Of course when summer comes around, a lot more options open up.. El Lokal, for example.

Another suggestion - while your little one is still little, try 'wearing' your baby, using a wraparound sling or a carrier, such as an ergobaby. As well as the comfort to baby of being nuzzled so close to mum, and avoiding the buggy issue, many mums I know also swear by them for discreet breastfeeding.
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Re: Breast feeding

my (first baby) is not yet 3 weeks old and so far I have fed her in Uto Kulm restaurant during sunday brunch, and in the migros buffet restaurant at Glatt (while filling plate and then while eating it!). I wrapped a shawl around myself both times and put my head under it to get her latched on. I didn't really think about what people would say to be honest, I wasn't showing any nipples or even breast in public so I didn't see how anyone could complain, my main concern was feeding the baby so she wouldn't scream the place down and disturb everyone. There is no way I'm shutting myself away for months until she is old enough to wean, I think you just have to be bold and get on with it as discreetly as is feasible.

Not tried taking the buggy into Zurich yet, only in the sling which is handy but tbh I had had enough of carting her around strapped to my stomach while I was pregnant and I find the sling hard work.
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Old 22.12.2010, 01:11
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Re: Breast feeding

Rachel mines 5 weeks I've fed him in public already a few times - outside Starbucks in freezing weather but he was screaming and starbucks was rammed and I needed a seat so was a panic obly option also fed him on the tram etc... Id just like to know if there are any handy refuges for feeding that others could recommend.

I have a sling and a baby bjorn. Tried baby bjorn a few times but he was a 4 week pre term baby and as he's so small I just don't feel comfortable using it yet. Can't seem to get it to fit snug and safe around him. As for the sling, well we only got it at the weekend. Still trying to figure it out but when I do I'll happily say goodbye to the buggy for town visits. Although it is handy for carrying shopping

I also have a cape/shawl thing but he gets frustrated underneath it. Again need to practice that a bit mire I think. I haven't been housebound yet but my increasing uneasiness about feeding in public is making me want to go out less. I am sure as others have said I'll toughen up and think sod it before long

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Old 22.12.2010, 19:04
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Re: Breast feeding

Perhaps you could rent an electric breast pump ?
(The Milupa pump machine itself can be rented at the pharmacy. The throw away plastic parts that touches the skin are bought in addition)

It will help you in several ways
- relief before going out (no messy accidents and confidence to wear a nice shirt)
- you can carry a baby bottle with you when you're out and thus won't have to look for a private place to breastfeed (I felt the same way)
- it will help baby get used to a baby bottle and make weaning easier when the time comes
- Dad can bond with baby and get up at night once in while to feed him so that you can sleep

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I felt like a cow using the pump
ah well.. it served it's purpose
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Re: Breast feeding

My favourite place in Zurich to go with baby and now with toddler is the Coop City in Bahnhofstrasse. The restaurant upstairs has a big children corner and many mums meet there. Toilet has changing facilities too.

Really very nice

Never been turned away due to buggy but I always warned them when booking. Good place is Hiltl, both for dinner and drinks.

Avoid Manor at all costs as they only have 1 lift and it takes forever to come...

And like others said, I think the fear is more in ouur heads than others truly commenting!

Found the breast pump great too!

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Re: Breast feeding

Thanks sky. I have a double pump. I had to impersonate a cow for the first three weeks solid in order to get my milk to come in. I would be much happier to express but my midwife wanted me to not use it for a while to establish my milk as I had issues getting my milk to come in the beginning. I am hoping by new year I can start expressing again and then I'd be a lot happier having a back up bottle when I go out

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OK i'll admit i've not read the whole thread (not really got the time )

But would like some advice and tips on breast feeding in public, breast feeding friendly places etc...
I don't know places in Zurich to breastfeed as I'm down in the Geneva area (though IKEA, Globus, etc. are usually good options), but there are several English speaking LLL groups in Zurich where you can go and just try out nursing in front of others but in a "safe" environment (the mirror thing is also a good idea). The website for LLL Zurich is: http://zuerich.lalecheleague.ch

As for tips: try taking a tank-top in a size that is a bit larger than you'd normally wear and cut the arms a bit bigger so you can pull open to your breast. Wear it over your nursing bra but under your clothes (if you don't have a nursing top) so that if you pull up your shirt your stomach skin is not exposed.

Get yourself a copy of The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding and read it like a Mothering support book. It is amazing how empowered reading it can make you feel.

Number 1 advice though is just go out and do it. People here are normally too polite to stare or comment, even if they find offense (which most do not).
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I don't know places in Zurich to breastfeed as I'm down in the Geneva area
Here's the list of breastfeeding friendly places in Geneva: http://www.gifa.org/files/Lieuxallaitement.pdf
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Re: Breast feeding

I think going through some major lactation crisis will get one less sensitive to impolite gawkers..Babyborn was uncomfortable for us, ergo, however was really good. Lotsa space (and ergo has a nifty hood to cover, while baby sees whats around from side slits). I never felt like hiding away, I never had time for it but hated attention so a simple flanel terry with some baby design over my shoulder, chest and baby's head was a sign for people to look away. Most times people don't want to see but happen to be faced with a boob so they don't look away, kinda shellshocked. Covering is good, since it tells them what is going on and gives them chance to look away and give you privacy before they get magnetized by boobs. I never gave access to people but noticed that with other nip ers. It was comfortable for me, since I didn't want to disturb my baby's privacy, she ate much better when she was not distracted by gawkers, too. Babies have to get used to feeding manners, you have to train some a little bit. Being confident is a great help, babies feel that. Now, with some nursing moms pumps are a no go before establishing a good supply, so you might regret switching to pump so very early, 5wks is early. I used it at home after nursing to kick start the supply, but would never replace a feed with it that early. I would wait till the babe is a few months for real replacing pumping so you can bottle feed in public. Again, it depends how strong your response is to hormons. If it is good and quick, pump away. For nursing in public, I have managed very discretely with: handy dark blanket, warm and cozy. Cardigans, I think I never wore anything else for 2 years. Big cardies, some are hot so it will make you feel good. (cardie, skirt and boots is a good mam combo, anyways). Flanel terries, large ones. Big parka or a jacket that opens easily (hubby will probably have one you can snatch, too). Forget hoodies, tight shirts, things you have to lift too much or slide over your head to give your child access. Opening up winter bag is great too, it can shield away. But mostly, it is a holding technique that will prevent people from seeing, it is comfortable for the baby while it gives him privacy. I had her tummy to tummy, cradling her with my arms, her legs going around my waist to the side. If you learn the trick you can comfortably nurse for a long time, baby grows, but feet twists around your belly towards your back. Give him room, don't press hard and bond, calmly and comfortably, since him twitching and fussing might be just an answer to you being nervous. It's a lovely experience, soon he figures out how calming it is, they sleep right after, happy little creatures. Ignore the public, but I understand, I never liked the attention, soon when people feel your confidence they will never look or give you thumbs up (even hubbies of ff moms, kinda weird, but whatever..). 5wks is too short for some wee ones to start the routine but most babes figure out around mo 2. Also, with growth spurts, 3/6 wks 3/6 mo, expects some feeding issues, since they need more so there is a slight adjustment. Good luck, that's awesome you are nursing. Babycenters and kellymom offer some good practical tips on nip, too. You can pm me if you need, as well.
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Re: Breast feeding

I second the Ergo baby + a cardigan or jacket. Most restaurants I've been to don't dare say anything about feeding a young baby, but they complain mercilessly about the stroller!

That said, I've fed my daughters at every Starbucks in Zürich, Globus am Bellevue, Globus on Bahnhofstrasse (not very comfortably), and Yooji's sushi. Also on the tram, the train and the bus. And at work, in front of several colleagues (I don't have an office to close the door to!). Coop on Bahnhofstrasse is good too.

The good news is that it gets easier as time goes on-when you're bursting and the baby starts wailing, you pretty much stop caring who gives the odd look. And you'd be surprised how with a little practice and the cardy, how few people notice! Once I had a colleague come over to coo over my second girl and he was about 6 inches away before he asked, "where's her head...oh...never mind, I'll come back."
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Re: Breast feeding

Quick question:

When you are not breastfeeding and the milk kicks in after the birth what women usually do? Back home, they give something to the mother to stop the milk production. I don't know if they still do that or if they do that here.

Any experience? And how long it takes to stop it?

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Quick question:

When you are not breastfeeding and the milk kicks in after the birth what women usually do? Back home, they give something to the mother to stop the milk production. I don't know if they still do that or if they do that here.

Any experience? And how long it takes to stop it?

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They give you medication. But make sure you tell them early enough that you really don't want to bf.
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They give you medication. But make sure you tell them early enough that you really don't want to bf.
Thanks for the quick reply. Do you know how it works? How long you have to handle the full kick in of the milk, etc?
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Re: Breast feeding

Breastfed my 3 kids each for a year. Never understood why people would go thru the hassle of bottles, warming up, cleaning them, making sure they had one as they go out for the day, etc. Not to mention the expense of formula and all it requires (bottles, etc.). And of course, this is all in addition to the health benefits of breastfeeding. It totally worked for me! The only downside was that I was the only one who could provide nourishment (until they started solids around 4-6 mths) so I was somewhat limited in certain options.
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Breastfed my 3 kids each for a year. Never understood why people would go thru the hassle of bottles, warming up, cleaning them, making sure they had one as they go out for the day, etc. Not to mention the expense of formula and all it requires (bottles, etc.). And of course, this is all in addition to the health benefits of breastfeeding. It totally worked for me! The only downside was that I was the only one who could provide nourishment (until they started solids around 4-6 mths) so I was somewhat limited in certain options.
We all knows that and it has nothing to do with my question. I don't have to explain again why I am doing the formula feeding.
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Quick question:

When you are not breastfeeding and the milk kicks in after the birth what women usually do? Back home, they give something to the mother to stop the milk production. I don't know if they still do that or if they do that here.

Any experience? And how long it takes to stop it?

I got one tablet immediately after giving birth and milk never shot in. That was it. No problem whatsoever.
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But make sure you tell them early enough that you really don't want to bf.
If I remember correctly, I was asked beforehand (several times) to make sure I was sure I didn't want to.
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I got one tablet immediately after giving birth and milk never shot in. That was it. No problem whatsoever.
Wow, Thanks for this great info. I was a bit scared because a friend of mine said she had nothing to prevent or stop the milk to come in. And I still have a good memory about the pain I had when I was breastfeeding my first.
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Wow, Thanks for this great info. I was a bit scared because a friend of mine said she had nothing to prevent or stop the milk to come in. And I still have a good memory about the pain I had when I was breastfeeding my first.
She must have had the wrong health practinioners. If they don't offer you something, ask for it. They might forget because nowadays it is the exception not to breastfeed.
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She must have had the wrong health practinioners. If they don't offer you something, ask for it. They might forget because nowadays it is the exception not to breastfeed.
I know! See up, I already began to deal with judgemental comments... I guess I will get a lot of those....
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