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I don't even know one, not one mother who breezed into it and never had any issues at all. Everyone I know had troubles of one sort or another: latching on, pain, infection, fatigue, pumping not working when returning to work or finding the baby won't take a bottle, etc.

Hmm... best not put me in charge of the revamped publicity campaign...

i could not have said it better!

my take is to make giving it a go a priority. in my own experience i would not call it fun. and while multiple benefits are possible it does not mean that i was able to achieve them by any means.

my nipples where raw and bled on and off throughout the majority of my daughter's seven months of breast feeding days. each time i fed i thought about the pain before and winced with pain during. they did not have the creams and pads and healing techniques back then. ouch!!!

more bonding? not with my son. source of frustration was more like it. i struggled to keep both his attention and milk in my breasts through out his nine months. i also lost a number of breast feeding battles including biting, holding too tightly to the 'other' yet to be 'used' breast and the milk spitting game that would have him laughing at his own ingenuity over and over again.
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Picking up on the earlier point about a 'fail message'... If a person attempts to do something, and doesn't manage to do it, well in what way can that be called a success? Of course, there's no need to go out of one's way to be deliberately hurtful of people's feelings, but I don't agree with distorting or hiding facts in order to make people feel better, in breastfeeding or any other arena.
I never said that we should all succeed.

But there is (usually) more than one way to do something. In the "West" we are lucky to be able to have a plan A and plan B. That's all I am saying. Plan B is not such a bad thing as people make out, while the benefits of plan A may not be much better as everyone would want to believe.

Much of the research about benefits of breastfeeding compared to bottle feeding could be shot to pieces, as there are many conflicting components to trial design, research and outcomes. Any yes, the inverse is also true.

So all we are left with is the "natural" vs. "man-made" discussion. We would all like to believe that "natural" is best, but 1) that is not always possible and 2) that is not always a correct assumption.

(I repeat at this point that I personally do believe that breast feeding is better.)

My issue comes with the automatic assumption that if you can breastfeed you are successful, while if you can't you've failed in one way or another.

Unlike you, I don't think this has anything to do with success at all costs.

Ultimately the goal is to have healthy children. Measure the success by this and not whether or not the child was breastfed.

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I am not going to go into details of why your wife couldn't nurse, if is not my business nor would I like to have my hubby vent my intimate details online either.
You mistake my posts for being only about my wife. They are not. I am compiling information I have gathered from other women, whom either I or my wife have spoken to, or from posts to discussion forums on this topic that I have come across in the past.

And finally, please don't condescend to assume that I don't know about the biological process of lactation. I do know about it and I know that it is an "on-demand" reflex. I stand by the comment that the let-down reflex is not as strong in some as in others, and in some cases not sufficient to provide for a child's healthy growth.

Dare I say it, but this is just an(other) example of where you think those that don't wholeheartedly support breastfeeding are ill-educated or uninformed.
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Interesting...I love nutritional topics as well. But breastmilk?
Haven't you read about the breast-milk Ice cream, sold in UK couple of months ago?
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But there is (usually) more than one way to do something.
There is only one way to give the best, most natural nutrition to a baby and that is to nurse.

If one does not, it's not the end of the world.

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Much of the research about benefits of breastfeeding compared to bottle feeding could be shot to pieces, as there are many conflicting components to trial design, research and outcomes. Any yes, the inverse is also true.
This is really interesting. So, basically, you are saying nursing is not as healthy and benefitial as previously thought. Can you post the research you are talking about? And, we should really inform UNICEF and WHO, while we are at it. My brother actually got his masters in heavy metals in breast milk. It was gross when his giant lab fridge broke and he stored placentas, nails, hairs and breast milk in our fridge at home. His many years research actually pointed out, that yes, there are heavy metals in BM just like anywhere else, but nursing is still benefitial due to the other things that formula cannot give (brain food, antibodies, etc..).

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And finally, please don't condescend to assume that I don't know about the biological process of lactation. I do know about it and I know that it is an "on-demand" reflex. I stand by the comment that the let-down reflex is not as strong in some as in others, and in some cases not sufficient to provide for a child's healthy growth.
Let-down can be a real bitch, I agree with you, a good comment. Now, how to trick the moody let-down: increase your lactation. More milk in storage waiting to get out usually fixes the let down reflex (increase lact: pump after every feeding, even if pump dry, it is the stimulation that kicks up the prolactin, drink waster, feed at least 10x a day from each breast, don't sleep through the night, at night prolactin responds the best, it should fix within a week). Destress, get massages, ton of water, oatmeal, be wary of parsley, mint (they discrease lactation).

Other ways to work on your let-down: Hot copresses or massage in the shower a few times a day, rub your boobs in circular motiong, bend forward and shake your breasts. Have a hot tea (Weleda has good lactation tea) while you are nursing. See? A lot to do with let down troubles. Here is more.

I had to fix my let-down too. It worked itself out when I doubled my lactation and when I worked hard on destressing.

Mind you, women with big boobs have troubles nursing since the kiddo is either overflooded and swollows a lot of air (symptoms similar to reflux) or tired of having such a hard time trying to suck milk from a bigger distance. Women with small chest have troubles since there might physically be not enough space for a decent supply, they have to nurse more frequently. I know it seems to be a myth, that size does not matter, but for me and my girlfriends, it did.

Ook. I think I have had enough of thoughts on nursing today, I feel like chowing on some humongous steak. I was happy when my kiddo took to solids, honestly.
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Other ways to work on your let-down: Hot copresses or massage in the shower a few times a day, rub your boobs in circular motion, bend forward and shake your breasts. Have a hot tea (Weleda has good lactation tea) while you are nursing. See? A lot to do with let down troubles. Here is more.
Fathers, please do your part to help the lactation process.
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This is really interesting. So, basically, you are saying nursing is not as healthy and benefitial as previously thought.


No. I am saying that the gap in benefits between BM and FF may not be as wide as people make out.

We all (think we) know that BM is soooo much better. My question is: is it really that much better, and how big is that gap?

Clinical and epidemiological studies are a real bind, as in reality there are so many confounding factors that ultimately you often have to go with expert opinion and interpretation of the results. That opinion is usually based on experience and that it itself is intertwined with and influenced by personal perceptions. And therein lies the Achilles’ heel of medical research. Because what we think is the truth and what is the truth are not always the same thing.

So just to repeat, no, I am not saying BM is bad. I am asking is it and nursing that much better than FF?

And I'm sorry to say, that we may never have the true answer to this.

Similar questions in childcare:
is permissive parenting better than authoritarian parenting?
is sending your child to creche aged 6 months better than waiting 'til kindergarten at 6 years?
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Re: Breast feeding

The three main areas that I am aware of are:

whether or not antibodies to allergens are transfered from mother to child through breast-milk and thus, actually makes a non-allergic child allergic because the mother is allergic

whether or not the highly allergenic foodstuffs ingested by the mother (peanut e.g.) actually passes on to the child and thus makes it allergic to a foodstuff before actually having ingested the foodstuff by itself.

the possible transfer of heavy metals from mother to child through breast milk in areas where the mothers ingest a lot of fish e.g (Island). Or areas with high contamination of pesticides.

For the above there is very little (if any) documentation or research available but if you talk to experts in the field, they will, "off the record", admit that there may be reason for concern.

Also, I have done extensive searches previously on the scientific facts backing up the statement that breast feeding gives protection to allergies and this has not been possible to prove. It's been a while though since I did these searches so I don't have the sources available.

I guess that the reason that the forumla manufacturers aren't all over it is because of the potential bad-will it might create if it becomes a hot issue. I think it is rather difficult to prove and LLL et al would be all over them if they tried. I guess they prefer the status quo that they have right now.

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Really? I would have thought the formula manufacturers would be all over that. Do you know what the question mark areas are, or can you point me somewhere to read up on it? (Genuine desire for knowledge, not trolling!)

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Well, since we have established that breast is the best, I am happy. Haha...

I am kidding, of course, I am far from being so focused on nursing, I actually think one should not be. It is great, warm, fuzzy, makes my bond easier, I understand my child easier since it is a skin to skin life sort of speak, instinctual business. My body works based on her needs. So, if that is working, she had her food, I am done with it and not really even think about these things so much. There are many more issues a lot more interesting for me than this.

In terms of BM being better than FF, science is so quick. FF is top notch and many cases it is more advisable (if a mom is on certain pills, nutrition deprived, family is suffering, or other things..). But I honestly think that in terms of health, we are natural creastures, our bodies will always digest natural stuff easier and better than manufactured. That's my opinion. Vitamins in chemical version are not so hot anymore, the best is the real deal.

Other topics - both exclusive permissive and authoritarian approaches suck. 6 mo at creche is way too early and 6 years are late. Those are all extremities. I would not link these examples to a completely natural way to feed your baby, that's a strange analogy. Human race has for centuries culturally stuck somewhere in between those extremes, babies with moms for a while and nursed, sensible parenting somewhere between soft and hard.

Tilia, allergens are a hot topic and will be even hotter since it is an enviromentally triggered and genetic disorder and it grows with a speed of light. When my parents who are doctors talk to me about this and their work is somewhere between epidemiology, immunology, health risk assessment, etc..they always say, a lot of allergies are actually forced on kids by doctors preventing parents from introducing foods early enough to the child, so the child has no time to incorporate that food info into the cell map that is being created, that takes up to a year of age. So I have introduced all the "bad" foods early enough, wheat, citrus, peanut butter, etc and combined that with nursing (which traditionally is an antidote for allergies) and it worked. If one parent, though, has disposition to allergies, has grown up in a polluted place or has been exposed to a heavy duty allergens his/her child can easily be allergic eventhough that grown up is not. I also believe, we carry this info with us (the disposition to be allergic or not) and it can be activated anytime in our lives, based on stress, pollution, chemical exposure. That's why I try to stay away from plastic, food additives, aerosol toxic stuff, electric waves, etc. We can also be born completely allergy free with no disposition but because where and how we live we can become allergic, or our children instead of us. My brother's research on heavy metals in BM though found there is level of heavy metals no higher than elsewhere, even formulas.

Sorry for my unorganized thoughts on allergies, they are far from scientific.
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Re: Breast feeding

Just thought I would share some links I came across while spending my day last Thursday learning about breastfeeding...
The best source I found was this youtube channel with a group of video teaching the benefits of breastfeeding, how to, tips, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/user/BreastfeedingBabies

The most useful and positive information came from a series of videos by: Dr Jack Newman

http://www.drjacknewman.com/
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The issue of allergies is very complex and the jury is still out on what actually causes them. The best bet at the moment to avoid them seems to be to drink unhomogenized milk and to get a lot of upper resp. infections before the age of 1.

I think your parents may be right in their assumptions to a large extent but that hasn't been proven yet unfortunatelly so it is difficult to recommend anyone to follow that approach.

Nursing may "traditionally" be an antidote to allergies, but again, that has never been proven. On the contrary, there are studies showing that breastfeeding or no breastfeeding is irrelevant when it comes to allergies.


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Tilia, allergens are a hot topic and will be even hotter since it is an enviromentally triggered and genetic disorder and it grows with a speed of light. When my parents who are doctors talk to me about this and their work is somewhere between epidemiology, immunology, health risk assessment, etc..they always say, a lot of allergies are actually forced on kids by doctors preventing parents from introducing foods early enough to the child, so the child has no time to incorporate that food info into the cell map that is being created, that takes up to a year of age. So I have introduced all the "bad" foods early enough, wheat, citrus, peanut butter, etc and combined that with nursing (which traditionally is an antidote for allergies) and it worked. If one parent, though, has disposition to allergies, has grown up in a polluted place or has been exposed to a heavy duty allergens his/her child can easily be allergic eventhough that grown up is not. I also believe, we carry this info with us (the disposition to be allergic or not) and it can be activated anytime in our lives, based on stress, pollution, chemical exposure. That's why I try to stay away from plastic, food additives, aerosol toxic stuff, electric waves, etc. We can also be born completely allergy free with no disposition but because where and how we live we can become allergic, or our children instead of us. My brother's research on heavy metals in BM though found there is level of heavy metals no higher than elsewhere, even formulas.

Sorry for my unorganized thoughts on allergies, they are far from scientific.
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The issue of allergies is very complex and the jury is still out on what actually causes them. The best bet at the moment to avoid them seems to be to drink unhomogenized milk and to get a lot of upper resp. infections before the age of 1.

I think your parents may be right in their assumptions to a large extent but that hasn't been proven yet unfortunatelly so it is difficult to recommend anyone to follow that approach.

Nursing may "traditionally" be an antidote to allergies, but again, that has never been proven. On the contrary, there are studies showing that breastfeeding or no breastfeeding is irrelevant when it comes to allergies.
... AND if related to epigenetics (educated guess on my part here), then it is unlikely that being breastfed will have much effect, as your child will/could already be primed for that allergy that you as a parent had.

Certainly there is evidence of such 1-generation-hereditary jumps in psychotic diseases.

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... AND if related to epigenetics (educated guess on my part here), then it is unlikely that being breastfed will have much effect, as your child will/could already be primed for that allergy that you as a parent had.
I figured this was a racing cert, that I would pass my tendency to asthma down to my kids. This was why I was so driven about the early exclusive breastfeeding, because I knew I would beat myself up about 'why, oh why was I so lazy about wanting those odd nights off, it was just a handful of weeks, etc' if the kids developed asthma later in life. I was buying myself guilt-free living, being able to say 'oh well, it's a shame, but at least I did everything I could to prevent it'.

I haven't kept up with the latest developments, but at the time (late 1999) studies indicated that the only potential 'safe' route was exclusive breastfeeding. Give one bottle, may as well give one hundred - it was the initial trigger exposure that was the problem, not the quantity.

I was never convinced by any scientific arguments for breastfeeding past the stage where other foods are introduced - allergically speaking, all bets seem to be off then although of course breastfeeding can continue to be a great source of pleasure and comfort to mother and child. In fact, there's a definite sliding scale: the first few days are super brilliant for health and nourishment, then the next 6 weeks are good too, and it tails off after that. Sort of 80-20 Pareto thing; any mothers who manage even just a few weeks are giving their babies a large chunk of any potential health benefits.

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Epigenetics - as fascinating as it is scary... http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...951968,00.html

Good article on the topic.
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That is so not true, if it was my niece would never have been born. Do not rely on breasfeeding as a method of contraception.
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I never said that we should all succeed.

But there is (usually) more than one way to do something. In the "West" we are lucky to be able to have a plan A and plan B. That's all I am saying. Plan B is not such a bad thing as people make out, while the benefits of plan A may not be much better as everyone would want to believe.

Much of the research about benefits of breastfeeding compared to bottle feeding could be shot to pieces, as there are many conflicting components to trial design, research and outcomes. Any yes, the inverse is also true.

So all we are left with is the "natural" vs. "man-made" discussion. We would all like to believe that "natural" is best, but 1) that is not always possible and 2) that is not always a correct assumption.

(I repeat at this point that I personally do believe that breast feeding is better.)

My issue comes with the automatic assumption that if you can breastfeed you are successful, while if you can't you've failed in one way or another.

Unlike you, I don't think this has anything to do with success at all costs.

Ultimately the goal is to have healthy children. Measure the success by this and not whether or not the child was breastfed.



You mistake my posts for being only about my wife. They are not. I am compiling information I have gathered from other women, whom either I or my wife have spoken to, or from posts to discussion forums on this topic that I have come across in the past.

And finally, please don't condescend to assume that I don't know about the biological process of lactation. I do know about it and I know that it is an "on-demand" reflex. I stand by the comment that the let-down reflex is not as strong in some as in others, and in some cases not sufficient to provide for a child's healthy growth.

Dare I say it, but this is just an(other) example of where you think those that don't wholeheartedly support breastfeeding are ill-educated or uninformed.
Yeah I think breastfeeding is more like cooking a good homemade thoroughly nutricious meal each and ever day. Back in the past home cooked meals were the only way to cook so that was all women knew, so girls started learning how to do it properly at very young ages so that by the time they had their own family it was ingraine in their head. But today's society is so used to technology and microwaves and quicker is easier, better, and more natural so bottle feeding goes more along with that mentality. So just like how some have to work at trying to prepare the best nutricious meals when they are so used to eating processed or fast food, the same with how some women may see breastfeeing as work compared to bottlefeeding. But just like how nutricious food is better than processed food even though it involves more work and rearranging your schedule etc but it is better and more healthy, same thing with breastfeeding. It may be seen at more work and rearrnaging of your schedule compared to bottle feeding for some but that has more to do with today's fast and easy way mentality. Natural is better than bottlefeeding in every way but for those who's kid simply will not get enought o eat with breastfeeding then bottle is better than being undernourished. Also it has to do with the robustness of the mom I think because the nutrients the mom eats goes to the breastmilk first for the baby then her body gets what's left over so eating healthy is even more important when breastfeeding just like when pregnant because your nutrician is still going from your body to the baby when breastfeeding so some moms may get burned out because they are not eating enough or healthy enough during that time. So yeah breastfeeding is better and more healthy but it's not just a simple think where no effort is needed. So I think where there's not enough information some mothers get it wrong from lack of knowlege and they just fall back on technology/bottle feeding. But I do think that breasfeeding should be encouraged more in the same way that eating healthy is being encouraged more theese days. Think of bottlefeeding as kind of like processed food feeding instead of a healthy balanced meal analogy. The babies will live if fed bottle formula but breastmilk is the most natural and healthy.
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...I guess that the reason that the forumla manufacturers aren't all over it is because of the potential bad-will it might create if it becomes a hot issue. I think it is rather difficult to prove and LLL et al would be all over them if they tried. I guess they prefer the status quo that they have right now...
OK, so breastmilk is full of allergens, heavy metals and toxins, but formula somehow managed to be pure. It must be produced on a perfectly clean, virgin planet.

Formula is made from cow's milk and although cows are a different species, I am not sure that their milk is pesticide or heavy metal free. The formula recipe transforms this milk into a baby formula in a chemical laboratory. It is then produced in a factory. It is sold in metal tins and fed from bottles that may contain bisphenol A. It is mixed with water that is not exactly pure either.

Formula manufacturers are not all over any alleged (or real) harmfulness of breastmilk because there is nothing they can say breastmilk contains that they can guarantee is absent from their formula.

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...No. I am saying that the gap in benefits between BM and FF may not be as wide as people make out...We all (think we) know that BM is soooo much better.
My question is: is it really that much better, and how big is that gap?...So just to repeat, no, I am not saying BM is bad. I am asking is it and nursing that much better than FF?...
You are asking valid questions here. Of course that in the end we do not know anything for sure. We do not know what kind of genetic makeup we and our children have and what illnesses or allergies we may be prone to getting and why. Statistically, some bottlefed babies will grow up to be healthier and in better shape in their adulthood than some breastfed babies. No one can establish a direct correlation between breastfeeding and better overall health later in life. It would be all too neat if we could say with certainty that breastfeeding for 6 weeks or 6 months or 6 years will extend your child's life expectancy by a certain number of years.

But then you read everywhere that breast is best. You read about possibilities that your wife and daughter's risk of breast cancer may decrease for both if the wife breastfeeds. You read that the risk of childhood diabetes and asthma may significantly decrease if you breastfeed and several people from your family have these diseases. Your neighbour's baby died of SIDS and she was bottlefed from day 1 and you wonder if bottles had perhaps something to do with it.

In the end, whatever decision you take you will never know what it may mean for you because no baby can be both exclusively breastfed and exclusively bottlefed and you can not have exactly the same baby twice.

So let it be, there is no point in agonising over it or feeling guilty or angry.

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I am sooo glad I stepped out of this discussion. I do promise I will do some reading about this from reputable scientific peer reviewed papers...once I come from my holidays
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I like what this doctor says.

http://www.whale.to/v/mendelsohn4.html

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Bottlefeeding, the grandaddy of all junk food, wasn't then, isn't now, and never will be "as good as " breastfeeding. Human milk is designed for human babies, cow's milk for calves. The structure and composition of each is suited to the particular needs of the intended recipient. Among animals, switching milk sources, say, for example, giving a calf sow's milk, results in sickness and, often, death for the newborn.
The bottlefed human baby is substantially more likely to suffer a whole nightmare of illnesses: diarrhea, colic, gastrointestinal and respiratory infections, meningitis, asthma, hives, other allergies, pneumonia, eczema, obesity, hypertension, atherosclerosis, dermatitis, growth retardation, hypocalcemic tetany, neonatal hypothyroidism, necrotizing enterocolitis, and sudden infant death syndrome. From a scientific, biological standpoint, formula feeding cannot be considered an acceptable alternative to breastfeeding, especially since more than ninety-nine percent of new mothers are perfectly capable of doing it.
Even premature infants should get breastmilk. When I had my pediatric training more than twenty-five years ago, I was strongly (and thankfully) influenced by one of the great nurses in the field of premature babies, Evelyn Lundeen. Miss Lundeen not only encouraged but insisted that mothers supply breastmilk to their premies even to those who weighed only two pounds. I can remember watching husbands deliver the bottles of milk their wives had pumped. There's no doubt in my mind that the premature infant fed breastmilk does much better than the premature infant fed formula In my own practice I have discharged from the hospital many babies who weighed less than five pounds, all breastfed, of course, since now I won't accept a child as a patient unless the mother is determined to breastfeed.
Telling mothers that breastfeeding is superior to formula feeding is my recipe for eliminating a pediatric practice. If a pediatrician tells a mother the truth that breastfeeding is good and bottlefeeding is dangerous, it will lead to feelings of guilt on the part of the mother who chooses not to breastfeed. The guilty mother then will scurry off to a pediatrician who's willing to relieve that guilt by telling her that it makes no difference whether or not she breast feeds. On the other hand, those women who do breastfeed will have babies that never get sick. There goes the pediatric practice!
You won't find many pediatricians who insist that a woman breastfeed her baby. Instead, you'll find what I call Pediatric doublethink, the statement that breastfeeding is best, but formula is just as good. You'll find pediatricians who hand out free sample six packs of infant formula to new mothers; you'll find pediatricians who insist that newborns waste their sucking reflex and energy on sugar-water bottles; you'll find pediatricians who push free "supplementary formula" kits on mothers who are breastfeeding; and you’ll find pediatricians who discourage a mother from breastfeeding if her baby doesn't gain as much weight as the manual provided by the formula company says it should. You'll find pediatricians neglecting to inform mothers that infant formula can contain from ten to I000 times as much lead as breastmilk; neglecting to tell a mother that breastfeeding protects her infant from all infectious diseases she has had or fought off through her immune system; neglecting to tell mothers that breastfeeding promotes better bone maturation and intellectual development; and neglecting to tell them that breastfeeding will help protect the mothers themselves from cancer of the breast.
Breastfeeding is better for the family too. The bond between a mother and her child is secure and healthy when the mother breastfeeds. Not only does the sucking of the infant stimulate hormones that reduce postnatal bleeding and discomfort and cause the uterus to shrink back sooner, but it also gives the mother sensual pleasure as well. Bottlefeeding, however, gives the mother no such pleasure. It does make possible-indeed necessary thesacred four-hour feeding schedule, which does untold damage to all involved, in the name of "regularity."

Yup, that pretty much sums it up. Including the most important health factor, the only time we got really ill was from an unsanitized ped's waiting room. Just wish I found this book before painfully doing the trial-error route myself, ha..
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Uhuh. You actually believe this part do you?

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On the other hand, those women who do breastfeed will have babies that never get sick.
To me these two statements, especially the second, show not just a little naivety, but a whole bucket load of it of such astronomical proportions I actually cannot take the post seriously.
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And this bit...



To me these two statements, especially the second, show not just a little naivety, but a whole bucket load of it of such astronomical proportions I actually cannot take the post seriously.
LOL! I don't think he means it literally. I think it's more like in comparison to bottlefed babies. I know it's not literally true. Haha! He's making a point.
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