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PlantHead 24.09.2008 10:54

Breast feeding
 
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/R...42521000&ty=st

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Children born in Switzerland have better odds of fighting cancer, obesity and depression than those in many other countries thanks to a high breastfeeding rate...
"The number of women who breastfeed from the start is already high in Switzerland, and it's still increasing, though slowly," Marianne Rüttimann, head of Zurich's La Leche League, told swissinfo.
"What we need to do now is tell them how important it is that they do it longer."...The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends women breastfeed exclusively for at least six months, since compounds in the milk lower a child's risk of developing high blood pressure, diabetes and certain types of cancers.


6 months, wow I thought a couple of weeks was the normal order of play.
Anyway there is a roadshow touring round Switzerland telling and hopefully(?) showing people all about the pleasures and necessity of breast feeding.
On a purely blokey point, its weird how unsexual breast feeding is, I mean all the necessary parts are there, breasts, nudity, female, sucking..but stick em together with a baby and its pretty meh!!

irish_marmot 24.09.2008 10:57

Re: Breast feeding
 
Month 4 of breast feeding right now and trying to hit 6 months. Its funny as a female I agree with you on the sexual thing. Its like they can have one function or the other but not both at the same time - lol.

Lob 24.09.2008 11:00

Re: Breast feeding
 
Interesting then that we had the news and discussion some time ago about http://www.englishforum.ch/complaint...ng-public.html

PlantHead 24.09.2008 11:01

Re: Breast feeding
 
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Originally Posted by Lob (Post 319162)
Interesting then that we had the news and discussion some time ago about http://www.englishforum.ch/complaint...ng-public.html

That was a year ago, and this is about a roadshow touring switzerland encouraging breast feeding for longer...keep up old chap.

Tilia 24.09.2008 11:02

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As much as I am in favour of breast feeding, as much am I in favour of a womans right to choose. Much of the information spread by La Leche League isn't undesputed for its scientific "facts". Breast feeding should be something one chooses to do, not something one is scared into doing.

I think this balance is in general very good in Switzerland and I hope it stays that way.

BHBT 24.09.2008 11:03

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Compelling evidence why maternity leave should be at least 6 months...

Barbra.

Tilia 24.09.2008 11:04

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Actually, in Switzerland you have the right to take the required time of for breast feeding your child so for that purpose, no maternity leave is needed :-)


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Originally Posted by BHBT (Post 319169)
Compelling evidence why maternity leave should be at least 6 months...

Barbra.


PlantHead 24.09.2008 11:05

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Originally Posted by Tilia (Post 319172)
Actually, in Switzerland you have the right to take the required time of for breast feeding your child so for that purpose, no maternity leave is needed :-)

Are you saying you can leave work with the express purpose of breast feeding your child, and that is allowed?..or have I mis-understood?

BHBT 24.09.2008 11:06

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Originally Posted by Tilia (Post 319172)
Actually, in Switzerland you have the right to take the required time of for breast feeding your child so for that purpose, no maternity leave is needed :-)

True, but it's not easy to take that time off when mum works a long way from home.

Barbra.

Sada 24.09.2008 11:09

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It can last up to 2 years !!!


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Originally Posted by PlantHead (Post 319153)
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/R...42521000&ty=st



6 months, wow I thought a couple of weeks was the normal order of play.
Anyway there is a roadshow touring round Switzerland telling and hopefully(?) showing people all about the pleasures and necessity of breast feeding.
On a purely blokey point, its weird how unsexual breast feeding is, I mean all the necessary parts are there, breasts, nudity, female, sucking..but stick em together with a baby and its pretty meh!!


Lob 24.09.2008 11:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PlantHead (Post 319166)
That was a year ago, and this is about a roadshow touring switzerland encouraging breast feeding for longer...keep up old chap.

true - but it highlights that there are aspects in one area seemingly countered by the "social acceptablity" of breastfeeding in public - so it is worthy of a crosslink (even if simply to shame the establishment in question into being more tolerant)

Tilia 24.09.2008 11:11

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Yep :-)

www.seco.admin.ch/themen/00385/00390/00392/02072/index.html?lang=de&download




Quote:

Originally Posted by PlantHead (Post 319173)
Are you saying you can leave work with the express purpose of breast feeding your child, and that is allowed?..or have I mis-understood?


Tilia 24.09.2008 11:14

Re: Breast feeding
 
True, but if you for example choose to have your child in a Krippe close to work, it is perfectly feasable. Don't get me wrong, I am all for breast feeding and parental leave (as in I also think the father should have the right to stay at home) but I just want to point out that the legal protection of mother and child actually isn't as bad in Switzerland as sometimes it is painted to be.


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Originally Posted by BHBT (Post 319175)
True, but it's not easy to take that time off when mum works a long way from home.

Barbra.


argus 24.09.2008 11:15

Re: Breast feeding
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tilia (Post 319172)
Actually, in Switzerland you have the right to take the required time of for breast feeding your child so for that purpose, no maternity leave is needed :-)

That's why it's so important to have a creche nearby.

Along Planthead's line of thinking, I'm amused to imagine guys getting interested in the breastfeeding roadshow.

As for the other remarks, therein lies the question -- does the mother's right to choose to breastfeed or not outweigh the baby's right to and need for breastmilk (assuming a woman is able to lactate and breastfeed)?

PlantHead 24.09.2008 11:17

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Originally Posted by Tilia (Post 319182)
True, but if you for example choose to have your child in a Krippe close to work, it is perfectly feasable. Don't get me wrong, I am all for breast feeding and parental leave (as in I also think the father should have the right to stay at home) but I just want to point out that the legal protection of mother and child actually isn't as bad in Switzerland as sometimes it is painted to be.

Should you really be putting a 12 week old baby in to a creche/krippe?

Tilia 24.09.2008 11:20

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Very valid point! It is almost always the parents responsibility to make choices for their child, so also in terms of breast feeding. For a parent to be able to make good choices, we need correct information. Much of the information spread by the "pro-breastfeeders" isn't information as much as propaganda mixed with ideas and hypothisis dressed up as scientific facts. And that is what I am not in favour of :-)


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Originally Posted by argus (Post 319183)
does the mother's right to choose to breastfeed or not outweigh the baby's right to and need for breastmilk (assuming a woman is able to lactate and breastfeed)?


Tilia 24.09.2008 11:21

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If the parents feel comfortable with it and with the Krippe, there isn't anything speaking against it.


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Originally Posted by PlantHead (Post 319185)
Should you really be putting a 12 week old baby in to a creche/krippe?


argus 24.09.2008 11:25

Re: Breast feeding
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tilia (Post 319187)
Very valid point! It is almost always the parents responsibility to make choises for their child, so also in terms of breast feeding. For a parent to be able to make good choices, we need correct information. Much of the information spread by the "pro-breastfeeders" isn't information as much as propaganda mixed with ideas and hypothisis dressed up as scientific facts. And that is what I am not in favour of :-)


May I ask which parts/points of the pro-breastfeeding platform are in question?

I'm inclined to think the nutrition and immunity provided by breastmilk to the baby are reasons enough.

BHBT 24.09.2008 11:27

Re: Breast feeding
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tilia (Post 319182)
True, but if you for example choose to have your child in a Krippe close to work, it is perfectly feasable. Don't get me wrong, I am all for breast feeding and parental leave (as in I also think the father should have the right to stay at home) but I just want to point out that the legal protection of mother and child actually isn't as bad in Switzerland as sometimes it is painted to be.

I know where you're coming from and am not arguing the point, however it is often simply not feasible to leave work and go to the Krippe, even if it's nearby. And with the difficulty of finding a Krippe place in the first place, I wonder how well this right can be exercised.

Barbra.

Tilia 24.09.2008 11:28

Re: Breast feeding
 
The immunilogical effects of breast feeding is in no way undisputed actually. Regarding the nutrial aspects, I believe it is undisputed that the infants subsitutes to milk in Europe is a 100% equal alternative to breast milk.

To be pro-breastfeeding is fine with me. It is the contra-bottlefeeding I am against.


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Originally Posted by argus (Post 319193)
May I ask which parts/points of the pro-breastfeeding platform are in question?

I'm inclined to think the nutrition and immunity provided by breastmilk to the baby are reasons enough.



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