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Children born in Switzerland have better odds of fighting cancer, obesity and depression than those in many other countries thanks to a high breastfeeding rate...
"The number of women who breastfeed from the start is already high in Switzerland, and it's still increasing, though slowly," Marianne Rüttimann, head of Zurich's La Leche League, told swissinfo.
"What we need to do now is tell them how important it is that they do it longer."...The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends women breastfeed exclusively for at least six months, since compounds in the milk lower a child's risk of developing high blood pressure, diabetes and certain types of cancers.

6 months, wow I thought a couple of weeks was the normal order of play.
Anyway there is a roadshow touring round Switzerland telling and hopefully(?) showing people all about the pleasures and necessity of breast feeding.
On a purely blokey point, its weird how unsexual breast feeding is, I mean all the necessary parts are there, breasts, nudity, female, sucking..but stick em together with a baby and its pretty meh!!
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Re: Breast feeding

Month 4 of breast feeding right now and trying to hit 6 months. Its funny as a female I agree with you on the sexual thing. Its like they can have one function or the other but not both at the same time - lol.
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Interesting then that we had the news and discussion some time ago about [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public
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Interesting then that we had the news and discussion some time ago about [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public
That was a year ago, and this is about a roadshow touring switzerland encouraging breast feeding for longer...keep up old chap.

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Old 24.09.2008, 11:11
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That was a year ago, and this is about a roadshow touring switzerland encouraging breast feeding for longer...keep up old chap.
true - but it highlights that there are aspects in one area seemingly countered by the "social acceptablity" of breastfeeding in public - so it is worthy of a crosslink (even if simply to shame the establishment in question into being more tolerant)
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Re: Breast feeding

Compelling evidence why maternity leave should be at least 6 months...

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Re: Breast feeding

Actually, in Switzerland you have the right to take the required time of for breast feeding your child so for that purpose, no maternity leave is needed :-)


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Actually, in Switzerland you have the right to take the required time of for breast feeding your child so for that purpose, no maternity leave is needed :-)
Are you saying you can leave work with the express purpose of breast feeding your child, and that is allowed?..or have I mis-understood?
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Actually, in Switzerland you have the right to take the required time of for breast feeding your child so for that purpose, no maternity leave is needed :-)
True, but it's not easy to take that time off when mum works a long way from home.

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Actually, in Switzerland you have the right to take the required time of for breast feeding your child so for that purpose, no maternity leave is needed :-)
That's why it's so important to have a creche nearby.

Along Planthead's line of thinking, I'm amused to imagine guys getting interested in the breastfeeding roadshow.

As for the other remarks, therein lies the question -- does the mother's right to choose to breastfeed or not outweigh the baby's right to and need for breastmilk (assuming a woman is able to lactate and breastfeed)?
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Re: Breast feeding

As much as I am in favour of breast feeding, as much am I in favour of a womans right to choose. Much of the information spread by La Leche League isn't undesputed for its scientific "facts". Breast feeding should be something one chooses to do, not something one is scared into doing.

I think this balance is in general very good in Switzerland and I hope it stays that way.
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As much as I am in favour of breast feeding, as much am I in favour of a womans right to choose. Much of the information spread by La Leche League isn't undesputed for its scientific "facts". Breast feeding should be something one chooses to do, not something one is scared into doing.

I think this balance is in general very good in Switzerland and I hope it stays that way.
Very old thread, but just wanted to say that the information LA LECHE LEAGUE disseminates *IS* based on scientific evidence and breastfeeding mothers' experiences.

As for "right to choose", well, I believe in that too, but so long as formula companies tout their products as equivalent to breastmilk, women are not able to make an informed choice. And even with the WHO code on marketing of infant formulas, to which large companies did sign up, they continue to break the code.

What is best for mom and baby is:

- Mother's Own Breastmilk via nursing (which also benefits mother by protecting against cancer, helping uterus contract, etc. etc.)
- Mother's own breastmilk via bottle (pump and feed)
- Another mother's breastmilk via nursing (wetnurses)
- Another mother's breastmilk via bottle
- Infant milk substitutes

La Leche League "facts" can be found here: http://www.llli.org
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Very old thread, but just wanted to say that the information LA LECHE LEAGUE disseminates *IS* based on scientific evidence and breastfeeding mothers' experiences.

As for "right to choose", well, I believe in that too, but so long as formula companies tout their products as equivalent to breastmilk, women are not able to make an informed choice. And even with the WHO code on marketing of infant formulas, to which large companies did sign up, they continue to break the code.

What is best for mom and baby is:

- Mother's Own Breastmilk via nursing (which also benefits mother by protecting against cancer, helping uterus contract, etc. etc.)
- Mother's own breastmilk via bottle (pump and feed)
- Another mother's breastmilk via nursing (wetnurses)
- Another mother's breastmilk via bottle
- Infant milk substitutes

La Leche League "facts" can be found here: http://www.llli.org
Sorry, but i'd give my baby formula over someone else's breastmilk any day. It needs to be screened for diseases too.

What's best for mum and baby is baby being fed and satified and mum not exhausted out of her mind from needing to feed every hour because she doesn't have enough milk. I really don't think that many people switch to formula because they read on the packet that formula is better for their baby than breastmilk.
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Sorry, but i'd give my baby formula over someone else's breastmilk any day. It needs to be screened for diseases too.

What's best for mum and baby is baby being fed and satified and mum not exhausted out of her mind from needing to feed every hour because she doesn't have enough milk. I really don't think that many people switch to formula because they read on the packet that formula is better for their baby than breastmilk.
Breastmilk banks exist in many countries and yes, the donors are screened. It is interesting that you automatically assume that another woman's milk would be dangerous and that formula would be perfectly safe. Do you know that formula recalls are quite common because it gets contaminated with bacteria or because of some production line fault it ends up having too much iron or salt or too little of important nutrients?

The overwhelming majority of women, with very few exceptions, can produce enough milk if they adopt the right technique and get adequate support. It was general complacancy about formula that brought us to where we are now -- an apathetic attitude to breastfeeding and complacancy about breastmilk substitutes.

Many women switch to formula because they are successfully persuaded by formula companies that breastmilk is only marginally better, if at all. Just look at their advertisements -- it is all about how great their product is and the message about WHO recommendations on exclusive breastfeeding is written in tiny print and I would guess that it gets effectively lost in the process.
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Re: Breast feeding

It can last up to 2 years !!!


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6 months, wow I thought a couple of weeks was the normal order of play.
Anyway there is a roadshow touring round Switzerland telling and hopefully(?) showing people all about the pleasures and necessity of breast feeding.
On a purely blokey point, its weird how unsexual breast feeding is, I mean all the necessary parts are there, breasts, nudity, female, sucking..but stick em together with a baby and its pretty meh!!
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It can last up to 2 years !!!
And even longer... I was at an NCT baby and toddler coffee morning once, when (as usual) the subject of breastfeeding came up. We were talking about how food tastes are passed on in the milk, and one woman piped up with: "Oh yes, it's definitely true! There was one time when Jemima was feeding, and she stopped to say 'Mummy, you've eaten pineapple this morning, haven't you?' And she was round a friend's house so she hadn't seen me, it was just the taste."

The rest of us - all supposedly enlightened, educated pro-breastfeeding NCTers - all gaped at her, all thinking exactly the same thing: "You're breastfeeding a child old enough to produce a sentence like that?!!'

The roadshow sounds a good initiative. I was fortunate enough to have excellent family support and nothing but positive feedback for discreet public feeding when in the UK, and hopefully it's the same here, or heading that way.

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Re: Breast feeding

not that i have any experience to add about breast feeding but did anyone watch the documentary on Channel 4 the other week called 'Other Peoples Breast Milk' it was certainly an eye opener - showed a mother feeding her 5 & 7 year old kids - showed women in a group breast feeding each others babies, interviewed a mother and her childs wet nurse in the states and also interview an old guy who drank breast milk every day (he ordered it off the internet) and he claimed it cured him of his prostate cancer.

I found the programme quite shocking in parts and I certainly found mothers feeding other peoples babies while the babies mother watched quite unusual - I think if I had a baby I wouldn't want another person to breast feed

did anyone else see it?

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And even longer... I was at an NCT baby and toddler coffee morning once, when (as usual) the subject of breastfeeding came up. We were talking about how food tastes are passed on in the milk, and one woman piped up with: "Oh yes, it's definitely true! There was one time when Jemima was feeding, and she stopped to say 'Mummy, you've eaten pineapple this morning, haven't you?' And she was round a friend's house so she hadn't seen me, it was just the taste."

The rest of us - all supposedly enlightened, educated pro-breastfeeding NCTers - all gaped at her, all thinking exactly the same thing: "You're breastfeeding a child old enough to produce a sentence like that?!!'

The roadshow sounds a good initiative. I was fortunate enough to have excellent family support and nothing but positive feedback for discreet public feeding when in the UK, and hopefully it's the same here, or heading that way.

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not that i have any experience to add about breast feeding but did anyone watch the documentary on Channel 4 the other week called 'Other Peoples Breast Milk'
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6 months, wow I thought a couple of weeks was the normal order of play.
Anyway there is a roadshow touring round Switzerland telling and hopefully(?) showing people all about the pleasures and necessity of breast feeding.
On a purely blokey point, its weird how unsexual breast feeding is, I mean all the necessary parts are there, breasts, nudity, female, sucking..but stick em together with a baby and its pretty meh!!
I've been taught that your baby benifits from nursing for up to a year. After that, its no longer benifitting exept that it is cheaper then buying formula, or milk.... I dont know if thats true, but thats what ive been taugh.

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Interesting then that we had the news and discussion some time ago about [Acceptable?] Breastfeeding in public
I think there is one question missing on that poll. Sure, we should be allowed to breastfead in public, its needed, but i think the option missing is -breastfeeding in public is natural, but stripping isnt... cover the darned tit up.

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Should you really be putting a 12 week old baby in to a creche/krippe?
Some people dont have much choice. Its difficult to live on one income. If you saw our flat, everything in it is old, or a hand me down. We have a cheep rent but thats due to it being in my mom-in-laws name for 25 yrs, so they havent raised the rent. We have to be choosy on what we spend real money on. Otherwise, i dont know if i would be able to be a stay at home wife/mom.

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Breast is best, undoubtedly. It is the people who ram it down your throat that are the problem. I couldn't feed our girl and was stigmatised on the ward by the nurses. I was a double failure because I'd delivered by caesarian and then couldn't feed her. Mr Bound had to have a letter from the hospital to enable him to buy bottles as they were not culturally acceptable. This was in the middle east and women had no other option due to the lack of clean water etc. I think the road show may be in Zug today, there was something going on at Metalli this morning to do with health.
That would be sooooo hard. I know a lot of women get depressed when they cant nurse right away, but to not be able to do it at all... Im sorry. It must have been hard too to live in a culture of women who just didnt bottle feed. i cant imagine what you must have gone through.

I couldnt breast feed past 6-7 months with my girls. When they kept waking up in the night getting hungry again (and that was after they were sleeping through the night, close to, i think it was 4-5 months), we started giving them a bottle before bed so that they could sleep well. I hadnt realised i was drying up, so i just stopped nursing when they started needing it every 3 hours instead of 4-6 hours.

When will people stop trying to force their views on others. I can understand people wanting to help, and share their views, but to condemn you for yours...
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