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Binational Marriages in CH



Hallo

I found these sites which answer alot of questions in various languages.

www.binational.ch
http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/bj/de/home/...nd/heirat.html

One can also find a prospect from your marriage registry office, "standesamt" called binational marriages which lends alot of clarity.

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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

pardon...?
Also nothing to do with Permits, Visas, etc. This is a marriage thread I think?

Moved to Family Matters anyway.
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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

Hallo

Sorry and thanks

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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

In my experience, binational marriages are easy and fun - lots of paperwork, but its ok...

its the divorce part that gets on my nerves, and the lawyers' fees when they have an inkling of international divorce law.

Any advice givers, I'm takers... by now I sometimes feel I could practice as international divorce expert - yet we are far from done...

aaargh.
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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

Hallo

I know the feeling, being a lawyer myself and having went through a b...h of a divorce, the legal bills hit the ceiling, but I got my monies back hahahah :-)))))) Sorry to say this but there is no way out of the legal bills.

See also my thread on divorce and non renewal of B Permit, after having been married 5 years and being 6 years in CH. Now I had to involve a lawyer again and the bills pile up again: to fight the decision of the Migrationsamt Zurich and then to top it up, because I don't have a B Permit in my hand and lost my job end December 06, I can't claim monies from the Unemployment Fund. How much worse can your situation be?

I don't know what your exact struggles are, besides having an international divorce which I did not have as I married here, but keep that chin up and let your friends lend you a shoulder.... It is the only cure for the Swiss Bureaucratic laws, money hungry lawyers, and long divorces.

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In my experience, binational marriages are easy and fun - lots of paperwork, but its ok...

its the divorce part that gets on my nerves, and the lawyers' fees when they have an inkling of international divorce law.

Any advice givers, I'm takers... by now I sometimes feel I could practice as international divorce expert - yet we are far from done...

aaargh.
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In my experience, binational marriages are easy and fun - lots of paperwork, but its ok...
Don't remind me of that ... my hubby (British) had to go to Zurich to the British consulate to swear on the bible that he is not married and then they gave him a document that we needed. Then we had to get his birth certificate translated (I was not permitted to do) by an official translator and after that we had to go a government department (can't remember what it was called) and they had to confirm that the translator is a registered translator by putting a stamp on the translated birth certificate.

What did I learn from this? Kanton Zurich accepts documents in English (for your marriage), but Kanton Aargau only has 3 official languages (German, French & Italian) thus if you have documents in other languages, then it gets fun ...

Oh well, we were in love and enjoyed the day off work roaming around near Zurich lake whilst the translator did his job and the government department.

To all those who are married to a Swiss - ensure that you do NOT pay Quellensteuer. Often businesses don't know that and deduct that money from your wages, but as you are married to a Swiss, you do not have to pay that. Also being married to a Swiss you ALWAYS will get a B permit, no matter whether the "Gemeinde" you live in have handed out all the permits they are allowed to hand out.
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there is no way out of the legal bills.
Of course there is. The two parties simply agree on splitting things in a fair way.
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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

Well, it does not seem that they can !!!! Otherwise they may have already done it.... but we don't know the facts so ....
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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

I had my affidavif done at the BVC in Lugano when I married my Mafiosa. As I knew the lady doing the documentation, it was quite easy. I don't remember a Bible but I think I did say the f-word

Interestingly, Italian paperwork by far outstrips English paperwork for getting wed here. My stuff was all in English and Città di Lugano had no problem with it

Now I'm "connected"
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I had my affidavif done at the BVC in Lugano when I married my Mafiosa. As I knew the lady doing the documentation, it was quite easy. I don't remember a Bible but I think I did say the f-word

Interestingly, Italian paperwork by far outstrips English paperwork for getting wed here. My stuff was all in English and Città di Lugano had no problem with it

Now I'm "connected"
I guess that all depends when you got married. Since I think 2004, you can hand in without translation any official document in English and the Swiss authorities have to deal with it, which I guess is convenient and sensible especially seeing as the German side don't exactly like the French language and vice versa so English is the common ground...
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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

Oh by the way you don't need to swear on the bible although this is offered to you. I just swore
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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

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I guess that all depends when you got married. Since I think 2004, you can hand in without translation any official document in English and the Swiss authorities have to deal with it, which I guess is convenient and sensible especially seeing as the German side don't exactly like the French language and vice versa so English is the common ground...
I never had to swear anything and the Swiss Embassy in New York translated our marriage certificate free of charge. The kick? It was sent to my wife's canton of origin (Appenzell), not birth, upbringing and residency (Aargau). So, after two and a half months of the bureaucrats making mistakes, we were informed that the American certificate would only be valid for a year and that my B permit would only be renewed upon marrying here (would be our third time!). After some inquiries we found out that the canton of origin never passed the document translated in New York along to Aargau (canton of birth and residency), as it is not their normal procedure, which it is in Aargau and caused the confusion in Aarau. Meh.

I really do not understand the whole point of a canton of origin -- neither of my wife's parents nor four grandparents were even born there.
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I never had to swear anything and the Swiss Embassy in New York translated our marriage certificate free of charge. The kick? It was sent to my wife's canton of origin (Appenzell), not birth, upbringing and residency (Aargau). So, after two and a half months of the bureaucrats making mistakes, we were informed that the American certificate would only be valid for a year and that my B permit would only be renewed upon marrying here (would be our third time!). After some inquiries we found out that the canton of origin never passed the document translated in New York along to Aargau (canton of birth and residency), as it is not their normal procedure, which it is in Aargau and caused the confusion in Aarau. Meh.

I really do not understand the whole point of a canton of origin -- neither of my wife's parents nor four grandparents were even born there.
Ah ha this is an interesting throwback to times of old. If you were ever broke and had no place to go you could go to the town or origin and they are obliged to provide you food and shelter.
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Oh by the way you don't need to swear on the bible although this is offered to you. I just swore

Thanks for that Richard ... sometimes my "fingers" don't know how to type the letters
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Never thought of looking for totty there...
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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

Getting married pretty soon.. and was just wondering if you have a official reference for the "english documents are acceptable.. deal with it!" law - the gemeinde want a certified translation of my birth certificate.. and it would be very nice to avoid having to pay another hundred francs or two!
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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

Richard's information is contradictionary to the statement on binational.ch:

http://www.binational.ch/en/fragen/ehe.html#cinque

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Depending on the country of origin, the Swiss authorities also request that the marriage papers are checked in the native country of the foreigner. This check can take some time and may incur an advance fee payable to the registry office.
The required documents must not date back more than six months at the time of submission and must be written in one of the national languages of Switzerland.
If your documents need translating, please enquire at the registry office about which sections need translating. The translation needs to be certified. Many translation offices provide this service.
It is advisable to allocate sufficient time for the procurement and possible translation of the documents.
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Getting married pretty soon.. and was just wondering if you have a official reference for the "english documents are acceptable.. deal with it!" law - the gemeinde want a certified translation of my birth certificate.. and it would be very nice to avoid having to pay another hundred francs or two!
Check with your embassy, some are willing to supply certified translations of standard documents such as birth cert for free....

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Re: Binational Marriages in CH

Unfortunately the British Embassy aren't so generous!

However, my swiss Fiancee and I translated ourselves (took a while.. legal vocabulary at the bottom of the birth certificate took some deliberating over..) and then took it to the embassy for them to sign and stamp - and they said it was a good translation!.. took us 2 hours to do and 100Fr for the certification, which I think is certainly less than a certified translationn agency, and certainly quicker and the Gemeinde were happy as long as the embassy are happy!
Wouldn't recommend our method unless you're in a hurry, skint or mother-tongue german though..
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