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Old 12.07.2009, 12:28
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

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you're absolutely right, they're the same - just looked them up. Sorry
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You might want to have a look at this if you have a tendency to overdo the pain pills.
Nothing new there. I don't think 1000mg of Tylenol in a day is something I need to worry about.

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Old 12.07.2009, 15:20
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

So what about the isopropyl alcohol? Is it a "drug?" It is out on the shelves anywhere?
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So what about the isopropyl alcohol? Is it a "drug?" It is out on the shelves anywhere?
It's the smelly cleaning fluid for CD or glasses cleaning. So yes, in small quantities...
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

I use isopropanol as a preventative for swimmer's ear (after showering). No doubt the Swiss apothecary industrial complex would like to sell me some goop for 20CHF that won't work as well.
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Old 12.07.2009, 16:20
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From what I remember France isn't much cheaper. And can also only be bought in pharmacies. UK is very cheap, but not too convenient to get to. If you do go, bear in mind you can only buy 2 packs at a time (32 tablets). In May two of us spent an hour on Loughton High Street going into 2 different supermarkets and 3 chemists buying our maximum allowance. Bit of a hassle and I stress that wasn't our main reason for going back to the UK!
I can confirm that the French system is very much like the Swiss system -- you can't even get a box of aspirin or Tylenol without speak to a pharmacist, and when you do, you'll pay for that priviledge dearly. A recent purchase of 16 paracetamol tablets (generic) cost about EUR3 in France and 20 ibuprofen around EUR5.

I tend to stock up when I am in the US / UK, or I use one of the internet pharmacies in the UK (eg http://pharmacy2u.co.uk/). They have no problem with exceeding the 2-box limit on paracetamol, provided you explain why you need to buy more than the standard amount. As long as you note on the order form that you live abroad and it is too costly to import the drugs on a box-by-box basis, they are more than happy to send you several at a time.

The overseas pharmacies are also good for tracking down your favourite products that you can't find in Switzerland. I generally place about four orders a year, and even with the shipping costs involved, end up with a cheaper result than buying locally.
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Old 12.07.2009, 16:32
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

Never had a problem with customs? No administrative fees?
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

Should have pointed out that I currently import from the UK to France, so obviously no problem with customs. Haven't yet tried to import into Switzerland, but I would hope that the low value of the package would keep it under the radar.

I need to stock up again soon, so I will try shortly and report back.
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

[I]If you buy generic medicines in Switzerland they are very much cheaper. They don't always offer them so just tell them you want a generic. These even exist for animals and such as FORTEKOR is much cheaper if you buy the generic version. In France medications are cheaper, especially homeopathy.

It is expensive living here, especially with the latest white garbage bags that are obligatory in many areas of Switzerland. Ten bags of 110 litres cost as much as CHF 75.- It is quite scandalous as you also have added tax for the disposal of garbage at the end of the year of CHF 75.- which is already included in taxes. It becomes farcical when Geneva does not have this restriction on the colour of the bags and has refused to recognize this. In the Canton of Vaud, Genolier as yet does not have this whereas Rolle, Gland, non and other towns already have it since the beginning of this year. Many en route to Geneva have used the containers in Versoix where 'spies' have given their number plates to the Geneva authorities who issue fines and inform the Vaud authorities who then issue another fine... The French are said to be fed up with the Swiss taking their garbage bags for disposal in their country. Migros and Coop no longer display the usual black garbage bags and on sale in both supermarkets are compost bins! It is recommended we all purchase one and keep them inside our kitchens! Charming with summer temperatures often reaching 30° in a country that prides itself on cleanliness and healthy living conditions. In small studios this would create real problems apart from the stench.
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Old 29.11.2013, 02:37
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

Paracetamol is DAFALGAN here. And you can get it in tablets of 50mg and take up to four a day. Now if you opt for the effervescent variety and happen to want 100mg, then you must have a prescription. However you can buy as many packets of 50mg as you wish... It is quite idiotic when you cannot buy 100mg but can buy as many as you want of the 50mg variety! I spoke to the pharmacist about how stupid it was and all he said was that I could buy as many packets of 50mg as I wanted but he couldn't let me have one packet of 100mg. Everything here is a question of money and cost. If you buy larger quantities of medication it is cheaper... the smaller the dose the higher the cost. It is laughable.
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Old 29.11.2013, 03:20
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Paracetamol is DAFALGAN here. And you can get it in tablets of 50mg and take up to four a day. Now if you opt for the effervescent variety and happen to want 100mg, then you must have a prescription.
It is not 50mg and 100mg but 500mg and 1g.
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Old 29.11.2013, 06:27
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

And the correct dosage is 1g (or 2x500mg) every 4 hours, max. 4g per day.

The reason why they don't sell the 1g tablets generally is probably that paracetamol (the active ingredient of tylenol, dafalgan) is toxic to the liver in higher doses. In the UK, you can't buy more than 8g total over the counter, or 16g with the nod of the pharmacist - this has, apparently, has significantly reduced the number of people dying from liver failure after overdose (accidental or deliberate).

But it could be that they just want to make money. 16x500mg of paracetamol costs £0.16 in the UK.

Btw, homoeopathy isn't medication. It's water. And as such is grossly overpriced wherever you buy it. (And they talk about greedy pharma!)
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[I]It is expensive living here, especially with the latest white garbage bags that are obligatory in many areas of Switzerland. Ten bags of 110 litres cost as much as CHF 75.- It is quite scandalous as you also have added tax for the disposal of garbage at the end of the year of CHF 75.- which is already included in taxes. It becomes farcical when Geneva does not have this restriction on the colour of the bags and has refused to recognize this. In the Canton of Vaud, Genolier as yet does not have this whereas Rolle, Gland, non and other towns already have it since the beginning of this year. Many en route to Geneva have used the containers in Versoix where 'spies' have given their number plates to the Geneva authorities who issue fines and inform the Vaud authorities who then issue another fine... The French are said to be fed up with the Swiss taking their garbage bags for disposal in their country. Migros and Coop no longer display the usual black garbage bags and on sale in both supermarkets are compost bins! It is recommended we all purchase one and keep them inside our kitchens! Charming with summer temperatures often reaching 30° in a country that prides itself on cleanliness and healthy living conditions. In small studios this would create real problems apart from the stench.
Not quite sure what this has to do with painkillers

Plus as a minor correction point, I would be pretty sure the CHF 75 tax is for collection of rubbish, not disposal. The point of the bags is that you pay directly for disposal the rubbish you create. And why not?
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

In the U.S. you can buy Tylenol and ibuprofen pretty much by the bucket for very little money. I think the big box stores sell them in bottles of at least 100 tablets for $4. You don't need to talk to a pharmacist, you just grab off the shelf. Most people at least know the prescription dose level and not to exceed that, so you don't get many cases of liver problems due to OD.

I think the ideal lies between the two systems. Here, people really think before getting medicine because it is such a pain and they have to talk to someone before they get it. There, it's convenient but I think people WAY over-self-medicate because it's so convenient.
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

When I first came to Switzerland and was gobsmacked at the price/hassle of getting headache tablets, I also resorted to stocking up when I went back to the UK but I've since found that (luckily) I don't use that many so end up with a bathroom cabinet chock-full of out-of-date paracetamol/Ibruprofen.

Now it just seems more sensible to buy an ad-hoc box of it here, and to be honest, the hassle level isn't that bad, you just ask for it, they ask how big a box, you pay your money and you're done.
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Re: Tylenol (Paracetamol), Ibuprofen, and other simple medicines

FWIW, most tablet medicines don't go "bad" if they are a little over the date, provided they were stored properly. They are just slightly less effective. I have some expensive migraine medicine that is expired by two years and it still works great - just take three tabs instead of two at onset. That was at doc's recommendation, btw, not my own goofing around.
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In the U.S. you can buy Tylenol and ibuprofen pretty much by the bucket for very little money. I think the big box stores sell them in bottles of at least 100 tablets for $4. You don't need to talk to a pharmacist, you just grab off the shelf.
Indeed. Bottles of 1000*200mg of ibuprofen are always in my baggage on the way back from a US trip. Cost around $25. I normally get 600mg brufen on SUVA-paid prescription here, but for the price of the US ones it makes it hardly worthwhile going to the pharmacy each month for a new box.

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FWIW, most tablet medicines don't go "bad" if they are a little over the date, provided they were stored properly. They are just slightly less effective.
Most normal OTC stuff in tablet form won't lose efficacy for a very long time either, unless it gets damp or very hot. Even then it's more the integrity of the tablet that's likely to degrade rather than the compounds therein.

There are one or two that do degrade - wiki gives some examples - so best check first if you've got any very old stuff kicking around. My stockpile of morphine and codeine is still safe though
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In the U.S. you can buy Tylenol and ibuprofen pretty much by the bucket for very little money. I think the big box stores sell them in bottles of at least 100 tablets for $4. You don't need to talk to a pharmacist, you just grab off the shelf. Most people at least know the prescription dose level and not to exceed that, so you don't get many cases of liver problems due to OD.

I think the ideal lies between the two systems. Here, people really think before getting medicine because it is such a pain and they have to talk to someone before they get it. There, it's convenient but I think people WAY over-self-medicate because it's so convenient.
There was an interesting This American Life recently about Tylenol and how easy it is to OD (because the limit between normal dosage and OD is pretty narrow, while for Ibuprofen, it's pretty difficult to kill yourself by taking too much). http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...ly-as-directed
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And the correct dosage is 1g (or 2x500mg) every 4 hours, max. 4g per day.

The reason why they don't sell the 1g tablets generally is probably that paracetamol (the active ingredient of tylenol, dafalgan) is toxic to the liver in higher doses. In the UK, you can't buy more than 8g total over the counter, or 16g with the nod of the pharmacist - this has, apparently, has significantly reduced the number of people dying from liver failure after overdose (accidental or deliberate).

But it could be that they just want to make money. 16x500mg of paracetamol costs £0.16 in the UK.

Btw, homoeopathy isn't medication. It's water. And as such is grossly overpriced wherever you buy it. (And they talk about greedy pharma!)
Do Lidl or Aldi in Switzerland sell Paracetemol etc? They are the cheapest place that I have seen in the UK.
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There was an interesting This American Life recently about Tylenol and how easy it is to OD (because the limit between normal dosage and OD is pretty narrow, while for Ibuprofen, it's pretty difficult to kill yourself by taking too much). http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...ly-as-directed
The problem with ODing on paracetamol (aka acetaminophen) is that it destroys the liver. Even if enough is taken to kill, it's usually an agonising slow death over several days. When it doesn't kill it leaves the patient with little or no liver function requiring dialysis for life, or transplant.

Ibuprofen, aspirin and many other NSAIDs can cause gastric bleeding, although death is unlikely. And crucially if an attempt is made and fails the long-term damage is minimal when compared to that of paracetamol.

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Do Lidl or Aldi in Switzerland sell Paracetemol etc? They are the cheapest place that I have seen in the UK.
No they don't. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think any OTC drugs can be sold in supermarkets. Certainly never seen any.

And in the UK although the pennies per pack is cheap, it would be cheaper still if you could still get them in bottles of 100 like they used to do at Boots. Sadly they stopped that not so many years ago.
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