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Why should they? I guess you can invite who you want to your deathbed, but should these merchants be allowed to sell their wares to the dying? Why should they get preferential treatment, if a homeopath is allowed to sell cures to the desperate, why not the shaman, the crystal healer, the diviner.

Maybe there should be a menu of quackery available to hospital patients.

Where normal allopathic treatments have failed, people should be allowed to do what they want. Why would you get in the way of a desperate dying person trying whatever they can to save their life ?

Would you stop a Priest from visiting the dying because Prayers don''t work ?

Treatment of terminal patients is more about making them comfortable and not destoying any hope they may have. It's about supporting them, not ridiculing them.
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Old 02.03.2011, 11:34
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But surely the solution there would be to have a list of things that homeopathy is okay for and a list of things it shouldn't be used for. That way you have the benefits where they can make a difference but avoid people staying away from school medicine where this would be the better solution.
But if Homeopaths accept that, aren't they basically admitting that they're frauds? That their remedies don't have any real affect.

AFAIK they're already held to these standards, they're not allowed to claim they can cure things they can't.
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But surely the solution there would be to have a list of things that homeopathy is okay for and a list of things it shouldn't be used for. That way you have the benefits where they can make a difference but avoid people staying away from school medicine where this would be the better solution.

Indeed there is, and along with many guidelines. Look at the Materia Medica, it treats minor symptoms , not gaping wounds or cancerous tumours.

Despite what many people believe, Homeopaths are caring people that want to treat ill people and make them better. "Do no harm" applies equally to them as it does to any Dr. They will not endanger a patients life and treat homeopathically where a successful allopathic option is indicated , tried and tested.
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Old 02.03.2011, 11:39
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Where normal allopathic treatments have failed, people should be allowed to do what they want. Why would you get in the way of a desperate dying person trying whatever they can to save their life
In the case of cancers, if tried and tested treatment is not working, a lot of people will choose to go down the clinical trial route (rather than the quackery route).

At least if this doesn't benefit them directly, it will help others in future.
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Old 02.03.2011, 11:41
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Where normal allopathic treatments have failed, people should be allowed to do what they want. Why would you get in the way of a desperate dying person trying whatever they can to save their life ?

Would you stop a Priest from visiting the dying because Prayers don''t work ?

Treatment of terminal patients is more about making them comfortable and not destoying any hope they may have. It's about supporting them, not ridiculing them.
Not saying that, do priests charge for last visits? I'm not sure. But priests rarely promise cures, only salvation, it's a little different.

I find it a little creepy selling ineffective things to the desperate, whether they believe them to be effective or not. Like I say, why not just open a market for the dying to sell them anything that someone claims can help them. I'd call it fraud, you call it allowing desperate people to try anything.
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Noirmal medcines may well produce side affects that Homeopathy work s well against, nausea, headaches , fever etc. This is why some Cancer suffererers tend to turn towards homeopathy during chemo.

You: "My cancer medicines make my stomach ache."

Me: "That's OK. I'll pretend to punch you in the kidneys, thus almost recreating some of the symptoms of your ailment, and hence curing you of the underlying problem."


Headache? Tense, nervous headache? Take JeemWee Rabbitpunch, only 75chf for 6tablets. Efficacy guaranteed, or no money back - after all, if it doesn't work, it's your fault for not believing enough...
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But surely the solution there would be to have a list of things that homeopathy is okay for and a list of things it shouldn't be used for. That way you have the benefits where they can make a difference but avoid people staying away from school medicine where this would be the better solution.
How can you have a list of different homeopathic remedies? They are all the same. I just had some now. It was a glass of water. It's all the same!

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Indeed there is, and along with many guidelines. Look at the Materia Medica, it treats minor symptoms , not gaping wounds or cancerous tumours.

Despite what many people believe, Homeopaths are caring people that want to treat ill people and make them better. "Do no harm" applies equally to them as it does to any Dr. They will not endanger a patients life and treat homeopathically where a successful allopathic option is indicated , tried and tested.
I have no doubt that a lot of homeopaths are well intentioned. But the fact that people don't need to go through homeopaths to get homeopathic remedies is what I'm trying to say.

I have no problem with people using anything they want when all else has failed. But don't tell me you or anyone else was cured by a homeopathic medicine. There is no medicine in them.

I'm not sure why I'm trying because it's going to end with an agree to disagree situation. If your son was saved with this then of course you will swear by it, and you seem to have a level head on yourself so won't go using it to cure HIV and ignore ARV.
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In the case of cancers, if tried and tested treatment is not working, a lot of people will choose to go down the clinical trial route (rather than the quackery route).

At least if this doesn't benefit them directly, it will help others in future.

I doubt every word you say there. It seems to be just wishful thinking. Still, if you had evidence to the contrary I would defer to your view.
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In the case of cancers, if tried and tested treatment is not working, a lot of people will choose to go down the clinical trial route (rather than the quackery route).
I doubt every word you say there. It seems to be just wishful thinking. Still, if you had evidence to the contrary I would defer to your view.
Having worked in/on Clinical Trials (phases 1 thro' 3), I can certainly confirm this to be the case.
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Old 02.03.2011, 12:03
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I doubt every word you say there. It seems to be just wishful thinking. Still, if you had evidence to the contrary I would defer to your view.
In the case of conventional medicine, hard-proof is required before a treatment can be signed off and ultimately to complete this proof this will require real-life trials.

Obviously there has to be clinical trial in progress at the time and the type of cancer has to be one that fits the trial.

I don't have any proof to hand but could probably get some:

Here's a page about clinical trials of cancer treatments
and more info here.
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How can you have a list of different homeopathic remedies? They are all the same. I just had some now. It was a glass of water. It's all the same!



I have no doubt that a lot of homeopaths are well intentioned. But the fact that people don't need to go through homeopaths to get homeopathic remedies is what I'm trying to say.
Half the problem. Homeopaths still have training in diagnosis and qualified prescription. Remedys should really only be prescribed by a trained Homeopath. The really powerful remedies (dilution >1M) are not available OTC.

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I have no problem with people using anything they want when all else has failed. But don't tell me you or anyone else was cured by a homeopathic medicine. There is no medicine in them.
You won't believe or listen to my success with homeopathy or anyone elses.


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I'm not sure why I'm trying because it's going to end with an agree to disagree situation. If your son was saved with this then of course you will swear by it, and you seem to have a level head on yourself so won't go using it to cure HIV and ignore ARV.
Nail on the head. It confuses the hell out of me. To this day I still use Silica for splinters and it works every time and bloody fast. I cannot hope to explain it. Then again, Black Holes exist in theory, yet I can't even contemplate the science behind it. Move beyond that into quantum theory of reality and that blows me away, yet it divides the scientific community, some saying it is rubbish, some swearing by it.

At the end of the day, beliefs are a powerful tool, and aids to belief (Bibles/Remedies) do play a contributing factor for whatever reason. I am quite happy to accept that my belief is half the cure, and maybe Science should work with and not ridicule these areas.

Finally, let people believe what they want to. Be it from Flat Earth Society members through to Catholics and Communion. Beliefs do play an important spirtual part in life, and spiritually healthy people tend to be healthier and happier than cold hearted logical headed people. I came into this thread fully expecting to be ridiculed, and accept that Science has a strong argument against it. I am, by a toin coss, persuaded by personal experience, which may or may not be down to what I have seen with homeopathy, but by issues raised here such as "I would have got better any way..". That argument is as hard to prove as it is to disprove.

Still, this argument has not been as painful as I expected it to be, and to be honest, I can only handle the debate on Homeopathy in small doses

I guess we have all made some small or valid points, and again, no one has been dissuaded or persuaded. Healthy debate is good.

Thanks all.
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So... does anyone know of an English speaking homeopathic doctor in Zurich, then?
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I doubt every word you say there. It seems to be just wishful thinking. Still, if you had evidence to the contrary I would defer to your view.
Having worked in/on Clinical Trials (phases 1 thro' 3), I can certainly confirm this to be the case.
What he said +1.

How do you think clinical studies happen? By chance?
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Yes. But I will only give you the info if you give me a political map of Kashmir the way it SHOULD be... like the one the US used to piss off the Turks and Saudis.

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Yes, I do, ( and you can start preparing my stake )
Herr Thomas Bernard - uster - highly reccommended
Frau Blauer - Uster
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But if Homeopaths accept that, aren't they basically admitting that they're frauds? That their remedies don't have any real affect.
On the contrary, they would interpret it as a recognition that some of their therapies are not totally useless, and they would get that recognition at the price of agreeing not to try and cure more serious ailments. So a win-win situation?
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Yes, I do, ( and you can start preparing my stake )
Herr Thomas Bernard - uster - highly reccommended
Frau Blauer - Uster
Frau Fisch - Mauer
Herr Seiler - Mauer
Are any of these people actually doctors? I only ask as you have used Herr, Frau etc
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Are any of these people actually doctors? I only ask as you have used Herr, Frau etc
Yeah, and what's the difference between them if they all prescribe sugared water ;-)
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Are any of these people actually doctors? I only ask as you have used Herr, Frau etc

Yes, all them except Frau Fisch, sorry, it didnt not occur to me to add in the Dr. Phd, extras
and BTW , just some concrete evidence -
Dr. Bernard, cured my sister of Colitis Ulcerosa, she was in hosiptal for 2months, we almost lost her, the University Hospital of Zurich strongly recommended her to remove her colon, a 39year old woman, they assured her it was the only option. she was also on daily high dosages of cortison, she could only consume, rice, potatoes and on a good day a little poached fish.

Now she is a healthy, energetic woman with all of her colon INTACT!!!

PROOF GENTLEMEN, as you asked for it.

and hats off to the OP, for wanting to take a more natural approach to healing her baby, instead of stuffing it with chemicals!

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Yeah, and what's the difference between them if they all prescribe sugared water ;-)

If you are ignorant to believe that they prescribe sugar water.......
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