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Re: Diet Programs That Work

I am a bit late for the main story on the thread, but just a 'real-life story, hoping to encourage a few of you!!...

I was always slim(ish..), and then had kids, and with the added 'good' life etc etc, added also a few?? extra kg's. never overweight, just not at a weight that I liked. Then, in Jan this year, one evening...simply decided that just TOMOROW I will tackle that new lifestyle that I have always wanted.
I bought a application on my Iphone (Shapeup Club), in which eating,drinking and exercise are recorded, with all yr personal details etc. And I did it! I have tried a few times before to lose weight, but somehow was never successful, and I believe that it was because somehow ...my mind and body was not 'in tune', but THIS time, something just clicked. It was actually really really easy, AND...because I am NO fitness person (my husband always told me that I need to exercise to lose weight, and I have definately proofed his theory wrong on it!), I did not exercise, and still lost loads of weight.Just stayed focus!
I, at first only wanted to lose 6kg's, and when I reached the 6kg's I went out and bought myself the Swiss watch that I have always wanted (as reward ) and because losing the weight was so easy...I kept on with the regime..I lost 14kg's in total (now I am really small, and only find my size in certain shops). I have stopped with the controlling and counting calories on my Iphone (I feel that counting calories made me definately aware of everything's values), and from the moment that I stopped, I have kept the same weight all these months.My husband is really proud of me, and have even gone with me to shop for new clothes, was happy to spend the money on a new wardrobe...

For me, it was easy, and now I am slim, and feel super duper! I have changed my relationship with food, but I am no health freak, ..simply aware of what I eat now. If I want the hamburger AND fries, and pudding, I eat it, but not every day.
I have made a big change, and that is NOT to buy choclates and cookies, and store it in the cupboard, as then you have made the decision allready to eat it. I am more aware of the portions that I eat, and well...feeling great, and know that I have started a lifestyle that I can sustain, and all it was,was to simply change habits
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Also, mental attitude, particularly in regards to readiness to act, seem to have an effect on metabolism.

I definately agree on this! worked for me!
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You can absolutely not get fat on a bowl of rice per day.
You can if your body is not metabolising sugar quickly enough. Failure to treat hypothyroidism can be quite dangerous.

FWIW hypothyroidism does occur in developing countries where there is an iodine deficiency in the diet.

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Our parents pass us the good, bad and the ugly genes. Make the best you can with your given body type instead of bi!ching with each other online

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If you tend to get fat by only eating a bowl of rice a day, I guess that normal sense would come kick in...and that one would then seek a dr for help/advice (and then discover yr medical reason), and follow a diet that works with the help of a dr.
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Re: Diet Programs That Work

To add to the comments about mental attitude - this is absolutely crucial for achieving and maintaining weight-loss.

Myself, I run 45-50km per week as well as cycling, hiking. I've let the Aikido lapse the last year or so as my commute back to Basel gets me home too late to get to training.

Eating in the office canteen is a no-no and I avoid like the plague the gipfeli etc that people at the office bring to work for birthdays etc. Also, the old practice of walking in at night and opening a beer is a thing of the past.

Making such changes in one's lifestyle are not easy - but I see the whole thing as a fight that I intend to win.

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agree with you on the mental fitness !!...and the croissants etc. I always see all these things as purely a choice, a choice that I make inside of me...standing at the birthday party and eating a piece of the cake is fine, but having the second piece ... that is for me, after my lifestyle change simply the choice that I NOW do not take anymore.

Also...added bonus to a good lifestyle that I have found...I used to have allergies, colds etc etc...and since January this year, I have been 100% clean of any sneezes, or any colds...I contribute that to being on a healthy weight, eating better, and of course being happy with myself again (mind)
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Re: Diet Programs That Work

There is always the last resort Tape Worm Diet. Was quite popular til a few decades ago. http://www.tapewormdiet.net/
Not sure on how the the introduction method works and also how to stop it once you have reached your required thin-ness.
No B*llSh1t - it really was popular.
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If you tend to get fat by only eating a bowl of rice a day, I guess that normal sense would come kick in...and that one would then seek a dr for help/advice (and then discover yr medical reason), and follow a diet that works with the help of a dr.
Hehe, still impossible. You can absolutely not maintain say 100-150kg with a bowl of rice per day. You'd simply defy physics. Now matter how impossibly silly your metabo(llock)ism is, eating that little can but maintain your body functions, you can't get fat with it. So all that talk about bad genes, diets, dietary supplements etc etc is only valid to a certain point. Easily witnessed all over the world where food isn't as widely available.

If still unconvinced read this.
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simon ch...you are right, and i agree with you on the rice bowl hehehehe.
Somehow we all have our excuses for being overweight. I definately also had mine (I lived the good life way to much), but that is how we all justify our own thoughts and actions to ourselves.
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To add to the comments about mental attitude - this is absolutely crucial for achieving and maintaining weight-loss.

Myself, I run 45-50km per week as well as cycling, hiking. I've let the Aikido lapse the last year or so as my commute back to Basel gets me home too late to get to training.

Eating in the office canteen is a no-no and I avoid like the plague the gipfeli etc that people at the office bring to work for birthdays etc. Also, the old practice of walking in at night and opening a beer is a thing of the past.

Making such changes in one's lifestyle are not easy - but I see the whole thing as a fight that I intend to win.

Cheers,
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Nick, there are a lot of (slim) people who see your weekly food and exercise routine as absolutely normal.

You describe it as a fight and describe all the things that you can't eat as some terrible hardship and struggle.
A lot of slim people never got themselves into this fix with food and so don't have a daily struggle with food.
They don't feel they are denying themselves anything.

I think though that it's basically a cultural thing and people in the west have forgot how to appreciate food (the U.S., Germans, Brits and Belgians are certainly like this and the French are going the same way).

The load themselves up as if they are refuelling a car.

I think people shouldn't worry about what they can't eat but look for all the wonderful things they can (in moderation).

I just don't think people should see it as a battle.
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There is always the last resort Tape Worm Diet.

Come to think of it, stomach flu is great for weight loss. Anyone know how swine flu rates in this regard?
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I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly. Are you basically saying that obesity can be dealt with by letting fat people die out?

LOL

Of course that's not what I'm saying. Read it again, carefully.

Of course some people are obese simply because of their eating habits and how they relate to their (lack of) exercise habits.

On the other hand, some people are obese because they have a harder than normal time keeping weight off. I have PCOS, my sister does not. My sister eats like a pig, I do not. My sister is thin, I am not. I have always been more physically active than my sister, she has always been thinner than I.


Now, so far as the medical science part... PCOS, or the propensity to "develop" it, is tied to genetics as are many (most?) metabolic "diseases."

Women with PCOS have fertility issues, if they can not have kids, they can not pass along the propensity now can they?


I can lose weight, I am working on it. I already need to buy new clothes (smaller size) than I brought with me from the US. I can make it up to my 5th story apartment without having to stop on the 3rd floor to catch my breath... I still breathe hard but can keep the same pace all the way up (hooray!).

The fact is, it will always be harder for me to maintain a "healthy" weight than it would be for someone who does not have PCOS.


All this means and all I am trying to say is "NO!! You do NOT get to or have some kind of right to judge me when you see me on the street. You do NOT know what or how I eat. My weight is none of your business!"

And furthermore, you do NOT get to jump all over folks who finally found something that works for them, no matter how hokey it may sound to you.
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Re: Diet Programs That Work

I tend to jump from diet to diet. I don't mean diet as in "how to lose weight", I mean diet as in "what I consume on a daily basis"

Most of the time, I try to get a "sensible" level of calories (from whatever source) over a decent number of servings. Usually that would be about 2400 per day from 4 servings of about 600 each on average. Works for me OK.

Right now I'd say I'm hitting lower than that - I'm training for a half marathon so I'm trying to get used to a higher carb intake and storing more water generally. Downside is, that way lies weight increase which is more lard to drag around 21km, result being I'm having to be much more careful than usual about where the calories come from. Not fun when I've become used to picking what I like and just burning it off from a variety of sports.

Also finding that, conversely, the higher carb intake means I have much less energy each day - feel very drained in general at the moment and really struggling. The supplement salesman way down deep inside me is screaming "Melatonin! ECA stack!" but I suspect the former would just make me even more vacant and the latter would give me a heart attack. Guess I'll just stick to the mild everyday alternatives of chocolate and coffee...
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You .....describe all the things that you can't eat as some terrible hardship and struggle.
Nowhere in any of my posts so far have I made such a remark - implied or otherwise. I actually eat quite a good diet with a wide range of foods - but I still have to keep a very careful track of what I have eaten in order to prevent weight gain.

The struggle I refer to is not denial of foods etc, but a struggle against my own crap metabolism. There are people out there with normal to high metabolic rate who don't have to do all this. I see young lads in my office who do no exercise at all, eat every kind of pastry from the snack trolley and stay thin as rakes - and until 10 years ago I was just like that (except for the sport).

Hypothyroidism is a very real condition and very often it goes undiagnosed - the people who have it wonder why they are dieting and dieting and exercising and still manage to gain weight; which is why some of the remarks on this thread come across as particularly insensitive. I am lucky that I had it diagnosed and with that knowledge that I am able to deal with it. I have always done a lot of sport so it was a mystery to me why I was putting weight on in spite of that - and 5-10 kilos can be gained remarkably quickly if you don't watch it.

Hypothyroidism is treated by taking a thyroid supplement - and I limit my calorie intake to 1900 - 2000 per day - for one (male) with a normal metabolism and moderate amounts of exercise daily intake should be around 2500.

Changing any habit or routine is difficult at first - for example the "natural" action of pulling a cold one out of the fridge after work - but when it's a health issue then the difficulty subsides quite rapidly.

Aside from my own situation, people put weight on for a variety of reasons - physical and psychological - and finding a sustainable way of dealing with it is a real journey.

What has annoyed me reading this thread is that the OP had a serious question; and that the thread has been hijacked by what can only be described as adolescent drivel which does nothing to aid the usefulness of this forum.

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I see young lads in my office who do no exercise at all, eat every kind of pastry from the snack trolley and stay thin as rakes - and until 10 years ago I was just like that (except for the sport).
I don't know how to put this to you but this part of your condition is called getting older.

Everyone suffers from it.
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Re: Diet Programs That Work

A couple of points:

Smoking tends to reduce hunger
Drinking Alcohol tends to increase hunger and provides 'instant' energy for the body.
Muscle weighs more than fat, therefore just using scales can be mis-leading. You can buy these fat gauges which enable you to measure your % fat.

Starting a huge change in diet, and commencing excercise at the same time is a BIG shock to the body. Also excercising will tend to increase your hunger. Plus will lead to a craving if vital vitamins/minerals etc.. are missing from your diet. Therefore if you start excercising, you may actually need to eat more to ensure you have all the nutrients your body needs. So you may wish to start excercising but maintian or just improve your eating habits. Otherwise you amy quickly find that you cannont maintain this new regim.

The body converts what is available to it in the follwoing order: Alcohol calories are burned first. This is because we cannot store alcohol energy. Next, we burn protein, then carbohydrates, then fat. In practice, however, we typically burn a "mixture" of carbs and fat, with the ratio being dependent on meals. Just after meals we burn mainly carbohydrate, while between meals we burn more fat.

Hence the reason why it is suggested not to eat before excercise, or drink alchol immediately after. Also why a minimum of 20 minutes is needed to use up the 'immediate' energy sources in the blood before starting to burn fat.

In the end, there is no one method that works for everyone. But obviously if you use more energy than the calorise you consume, then you should loose fat.

So the trick is finding what works for you, but also small/gradual changes rather than big one's. This is key to being able to keep the weight off. But also find a way to fit these changes into your lifestyle/daily life.

Some suggestions would be:

Take the stairs instead of the lift (for less than X floors)
Get off one or two stops earlier on the tram/bus
If possible Cycle or walk to work a couple of times a week, or replace a short journey....
Take a walk over lunch and/or walk a bit further to buy your lunch.
Your legs are the largest set of muscles therefore these will burn more energy during excercise than other muscles.
Improve your diet, reduce portions & snacking.
Cutting out drinking (alcohol)or not drinking during the week is a great one (and one of the hardest I find to do ). http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/...ch/alcohol.htm

For me getting fit is the best way to loose weight and to do this one needs a goal, i.e. a competition (not that I've done that for a long time). However I now have a recumber cycle so I can watch TV and excercise at the same time (the not so lazy couch potato) sitting next to my more serious excercise equipment.

In the end you have to want to do this and setting goals and incentives to help you along the way may help to make it a success. Also the odd treat after excercise etc.. may be conterproductive, but in moderation and as a reward should help to continue the changes.
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Re: Diet Programs That Work

Tom I agree with a lot of what you post but what you said to Nick there is a bit out of line. People who suffer from Hypothyroidism have a constant struggle with their weight due to reduced metabolism and the other symptoms it induces can make it difficult but not impossible to exercise. Nick has a quantifiable medical condition that causes weight gain if left undiagnosed and untreated and even when treated can make it difficult to lose weight. It runs in my family so I have a lot of experience with this illness and it's side effects.

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I will probably repost a lot, since I don't have the time to read the whole thread. It is helpful to determine why one is eating when not hungry. Emotional eating is a huge contributor to being overweight. I think people need to

- ask oneself what's reasoning behind eating that one specific time.."I deserve this right now, I will be good starting tomorrow, I am tired it's ok to threat myself to this nasty huge piece of choc cake right now..."

- not eat when doing something else and not eat in a rush, make it a long ritual, savoring every bite

- not eat out of boredom, anger, sleepiness; do activities instead, walk to the lake, get yourself a few flowers, some other gratifiction (reward yourself with some nice smell, I know it works on chicks, I am not sure if guys respond to aromatherapy, or such)

- recap your physical activity and ratio of food eaten in the evening to make a decision about the next day, move more, eat better, grab something lighter, or more protein, etc

- forget the idea that it's not fair that one is fat and others are not. your life is what you make of it, everyone has to start building up on some given parametres, the thin ones have often other difficulties one does not know about. the idea of unfair makes one eat more than needed, often.

- forget fearing hunger and stick to your "new" ways. thin people think differently. they do not stock up in case there is no food in the nearest future (say couple of hours). it does not matter to them since they are busy obsessing about something else

- always cheer for yourself, if you go by your rules and behave. if you do not binge, feel like a star. if you skip your usual after meal sweat treat, feel proud of yourself. verbalize it. visualize it.

- physical activity is addictive, just get past that first, innitial pain. so is being healthy, that feeling of success is also easy to get hooked on. if you "sin", move past it, don't fall into a guilt trap

And the last thing, ask yourself, if it's not a matter of health but only a few esthetic kilos, is the torture really worth it? Some people feel better and look better (to some of us) when they have the nice little podge on'em. To fight for a sixpack when one is really ok might be covering some other issues, playing with will power, etc. Relax and don't obsess. People who do work on themselves in good, moderate ways, do have my admiration, though.

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Re: Diet Programs That Work

Absolutely agree MusicChick, just do it the easy relaxed way, no need in getting obsessed over dieting, fitness etc, making yourself a hard life.
I am not very sportive, the only thing I do regularely is lifting pints.
But what I don't do is eating when I'm not hungry.
And I don't have any snacks at home, if I want to eat I have to cook, if I've eaten already I don't cook.
I don't eat out of boredom, stress, frustration whatever.
Works fine for me, just find a balance where you're happy with yourself without comparing to others.
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