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Old 10.09.2009, 23:16
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I believe we are all born with a certain number of heartbeats.... knowing that, would you waste them on excercise??
Ah, but if you take exercise, one of the organs that benefits quite quickly by getting bigger and stronger is your heart.
Consequently, it's able to pump more blood around with each beat.

As a result, your resting heat rate can become slow, in the region of 40bpm.

So, they should last you longer.
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You go sisters... I agree with you totally!!!

I cant be bothered with workouts and stuff but LUUURRVVEE eating. The only bit of excercise I get is when cooking. Meat has to be fried just right before adding spices and then Yummm... followed by really really suger rich sweets!! HEAVEN!!

And then either going to blissful sleep or watching a movie or playing Xbox!!

Nothing more I ask from the Lord!!

Let the loonies Run and work out like crazy to have a Healthy life?
For what? For a long life?
Hahahaha! Funny coming from you. Aren't you one of the resident EF god brigade member who wants to live on god's lap eternally in heaven? Oh! the irony.

It's your life and you are free to eat whatever that floats your boat. Just don't try to pass unhealthy foods as healthy.

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Long life for what? So they can Run and work out a bit more
Quality of life mean anything to you? Fitting in your clothes? Not having a heart attack? Lower medical bill? Self-confidence? List can go on and on. Ultimately we could all die tomorrow so should we jump off the bridge today?

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And then on the death bed, they'll be like.. wish I had done that or wish I had eaten that
I eat perfectly tasty and healthy food everyday and absolutely love it. Nothing to miss or wish for.

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As for using stairs and not lifts.. c'mon think about the time and effort it went into inventing those things! Show respect!
I respect my body more than some silly lift. I have just one body so I want to look after it as much as I can. Also I don't have eternal after life like you
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I eat perfectly tasty and healthy food everyday and absolutely love it. Nothing to miss or wish for.

Well, you've never had one of my cheesecakes so I guess it's more a case of not being able to miss what you've never had.
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Well, you've never had one of my cheesecakes so I guess it's more a case of not being able to miss what you've never had.
That is what my gay friend tells me too Stuff like cheesecake don't appeal to me much. If you try my tasty healthy food then you would never go back to your cheesecake

Either was Peg A you are sweet so don't take my posts personally. I am just an uncut rough diamond with sharp edges. I want you to be healthy and happy. I stand by everything I said from a factual point of view but if any of the side stuff caused you pain then for that I am sorry
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so I guess it's more a case of not being able to miss what you've never had.
Are you trying to recap the story of his life?
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Are you trying to recap the story of his life?
Fatty food and voice in my head from god? I think I will give it a miss.
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Old 11.09.2009, 10:17
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Excercise helps with performance or makes you feel good, not extend your life. But yes if one believes in Fate then no point stretching one's self for no reason.

I was reading an article about regeneration of cells and Aging and it said something like upto a certain point human cells, when they die and regenerate will keep the same level of quality... but after certain age or time either the new cells will not be as good as before or not regenerate at all.. i.e. cells iin various human organs... and that timeframe is decided by something in built in ones genes.
Actually too much exercise increases reactive oxigen species and leads to premature aging (including increase in wrinkles), I need to look for a citation...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_exercise
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

" Single bouts of exercise increases, and regular exercise decreases the oxidative challenge to the body, whereas excessive exercise and overtraining lead to damaging oxidative stress and thus are an indication of the other end point of the hormetic response."

Taken from: Ageing Res Rev. 2008 Jan;7(1):34-42. Epub 2007 Aug 2. Exercise, oxidative stress and hormesis. Radak Z, Chung HY, Koltai E, Taylor AW, Goto S.
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

Just my penny-worth...

An awful lot of people I see claiming to exercise are really not achieving a whole lot. If after 45 minutes of exercise, your cheeks are a little pink, and you are glowing slightly, I mean you. My brother, a professional PT trainer calls these people "Scared to Sweat".
If on the other hand you stagger groaning in the general direction of the showers, a complete sweaty mess, you will have in all likelyhood acheived something.

Top tip: Get a heart rate monitor and make sure your heart is going at above 130 bpm or so for the whole period (very roughly and not if you're over 70). This will make your body undergo physiological changes (stronger cardio-vascular system, muscle growth etc...) that will ensure that the weight comes off and stays off.

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Actually too much exercise increases reactive oxigen species and leads to premature aging (including increase in wrinkles), I need to look for a citation...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_exercise
Your link seems to be pro exercise overall. Drinking too much water can kill us too so no more water for us? I think excessive exercising is least of the problems on this forum Healthy diet plus regular correct level of exercise is a win win situation. I don't know what is so difficult to understand about that?

Now if you are someone who exercises ever day for hours and hours doesn't give body enough nutrients and time to recover then I can see your point. Otherwise I don't see what your point is?

Ok I am definitely out of this thread. To many loons here
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Old 11.09.2009, 10:57
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

I joined a gym once. I thought it would be a good idea to get a bit of regular aerobic exercise, and probably strengthen my arms and upper body a bit (my legs get regular use, so they were fine). I had no interest in acquiring a Charles Atlas physique: I just wanted to get a bit healthier.

I trusted the gym staff to give me the appropriate advice. They're the experts, after all, no?

Trust me to get a gym instructor of the more, um, enthusiastic type. After my first session in the gym, I had difficulty breathing for a few days, and could hardly walk. I knew something was up during the session itself, but was treated to the 'afraid to sweat' and 'no pain no gain' dogma by the instructor, so carried on, ignoring the clear messages from my body. I stress, again, that this was my first session.

I never went again.

A few years later, I discovered the joys of walking. I like walking: It doesn't hurt very often, there's plenty to look at (not the wall of a gym, or some crap on MTV), and it's good for one's health. Combined with a healthy diet (lapsed somewhat over the last few years, but I'm working on that again), walking helped me lose several pounds, and I felt a perceptible improvement in my health.

Now, walking may not meet the demands of some of the more extremist members of this forum, with their 50 km bike rides and two hour sessions on the torture machines at the gym, but it's better than nothing, and is something that I'm likely to actually do.

It's all very well to say that light exercise is next to useless, but it's a lot better to go for a 20 minute walk every evening than to join a gym and then not bother to go because you are tired, it's a long way to go, the changing rooms smell, you've not got your kit with you, and so on.

If you're an exercise enthusiast, then well done, good for you, big pat on the back.

Most people, however, have neither the time nor the motivation to go to the extremes that you propose.

To rubbish people's attempts to better themselves, no matter how small the steps they are taking, is not helpful at all. As an earlier poster commented, it's like those lads that hang around sports halls mocking the fat and unfit who are actually bothering to try to do something about their situation.

So sod off and leave us alone. Haven't you got laps to run or something?
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Your link seems to be pro exercise overall. Drinking too much water can kill us too so no more water for us? I think excessive exercising is least of the problems on this forum Healthy diet plus regular correct level of exercise is a win win situation. I don't know what is so difficult to understand about that?

Now if you are someone who exercises ever day for hours and hours doesn't give body enough nutrients and time to recover then I can see your point. Otherwise I don't see what your point is?

Ok I am definitely out of this thread. To many loons here
I am pro exercise, I am not pro killing myself doing exercise but if you want to read between the lines that just proves you are biased, and are not willing to accept other people's opinions. My point was that no extreme is good.
About the water, you need to drink 20 consecutive liters of water to die...not easily achievable I believe.
And sweetie... you are the intolerant loon here.
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

This is my favorite breakfast! It is enough healthy? I love it!

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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

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I joined a gym once. I thought it would be a good idea to get a bit of regular aerobic exercise, and probably strengthen my arms and upper body a bit (my legs get regular use, so they were fine). I had no interest in acquiring a Charles Atlas physique: I just wanted to get a bit healthier.

I trusted the gym staff to give me the appropriate advice. They're the experts, after all, no?
Some can be but most not. Think of them as supermarket staff.

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Trust me to get a gym instructor of the more, um, enthusiastic type. After my first session in the gym, I had difficulty breathing for a few days, and could hardly walk. I knew something was up during the session itself, but was treated to the 'afraid to sweat' and 'no pain no gain' dogma by the instructor, so carried on, ignoring the clear messages from my body. I stress, again, that this was my first session. I never went again.
It means your body was in bad shape and the supermarket staff were clueless.



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A few years later, I discovered the joys of walking. I like walking: It doesn't hurt very often, there's plenty to look at (not the wall of a gym, or some crap on MTV), and it's good for one's health. Combined with a healthy diet (lapsed somewhat over the last few years, but I'm working on that again), walking helped me lose several pounds, and I felt a perceptible improvement in my health.

Now, walking may not meet the demands of some of the more extremist members of this forum, with their 50 km bike rides and two hour sessions on the torture machines at the gym, but it's better than nothing, and is something that I'm likely to actually do.
It's all very well to say that light exercise is next to useless, but it's a lot better to go for a 20 minute walk every evening than to join a gym and then not bother to go because you are tired, it's a long way to go, the changing rooms smell, you've not got your kit with you, and so on.
No one said that you have to go to gym to get fit or that walking long distance is not good.
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If you're an exercise enthusiast, then well done, good for you, big pat on the back. Most people, however, have neither the time nor the motivation to go to the extremes that you propose.
Yes it's personal choice for you and for me. If I can create time to post on EF then I can create time to look after my body. I was not born with pre programmed motivation chip.

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To rubbish people's attempts to better themselves, no matter how small the steps they are taking, is not helpful at all.
I was not rubbishing any attempt. I was rubbishing that if someone takes small steps forward but then stuffs themselves with fried and fatty food then the overall equation = big steps backwards.

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As an earlier poster commented, it's like those lads that hang around sports halls mocking the fat and unfit who are actually bothering to try to do something about their situation.
I have not seen that happen once at my gym. Plenty of very fat people there. If someone mocks the fat people then it just goes to show that the people doing the mocking are idiots.

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So sod off and leave us alone. Haven't you got laps to run or something?
If this thread was about what fatty foods you enjoy then your sod off statement would be relevant Anyway I only do steps machine, bike and lot of walking Running can be tough on the knee joints.
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I am pro exercise, I am not pro killing myself doing exercise but....
Just like the water example you are stretching things a bit too much no?

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Still a sweetie no? I must keep my word and leave you non sweet loons alone
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This is my favorite breakfast! It is enough healthy? I love it!

You eat all that for breakfast? I would love to see you lunch I don't know what your physical condition is or how active you are but maybe too much cheese and bread there? Could maybe add some fresh fruits in the mix? What is inside that pan?
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You eat all that for breakfast? I would love to see you lunch I don't know what your physical condition is or how active you are but maybe too much cheese and bread there? Could maybe add some fresh fruits in the mix? What is inside that pan?
This is for two. Let say most of it is for my husband.

You have eggs in the pan. Of course you can had some fruit, usually we will had melon (it's the best with white cheese.) You I eat much more veggies then fruits. Fruits have more calories in it and when you have sugar problem, you have to go slowly on fruits. You will find tomatoes, cucumbers, olives, cheese, eggs... It comes in differents variety. We can have much more mezze on the side with it.

This is a picture from internet of a normal turkish breakfast. We eat whole bread with it or the Pide (turkish bread)

I think it doesn't matter what you eat, (we don't talk about junk food here) it is all about the quantity. You can eat a 600 calories muffin, but you will have less to feed you during the day...
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

Sorry for dragging the thread off-topic a minute, but this "600 calorie muffin" thing baffles me. Are we talking muffins here or cupcakes?

Blueberry-cornmeal muffins I make have around 150 calories (maybe 200 if you filled the tins real real full.)
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I thought muffins were actually bigger and fattier than cupcakes but I could be wrong.
I have seen some muffins at Starbucks for instance and I think they can easily top the 600 calorie mark!

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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

Ah, maybe that's it then. Anything that sweet (i.e. more like cake batter than quick bread), or anything with frosting on it, is a cupcake to me.

Wouldn't really occur to me to eat one of those for breakfast, any more than I would eat a cookie or a bowl of ice cream and call it breakfast.

A nice fruity blueberry muffin, now... or a bacon-cheddar muffin...!
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