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Old 12.09.2009, 12:09
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Hey, you're supposed to be out walking three thousand miles, not crapping about here on the forum.
i'm scared to even ask....

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Old 12.09.2009, 12:26
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

Don't know about you guys but I'm putting on my exercise gear to walk briskly to Denner's (about 55m from my front door) to get some low-fat yoghurt and cereal. I promise I'll take the stairs down but will have to think about 'up'.

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Old 12.09.2009, 12:38
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Hey, you're supposed to be out walking three thousand miles, not crapping about here on the forum.

Get outta here, young man!

I am not young I still have an hour left but yes I must go and take my shower plus iron my underwear j/k LOL
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Old 12.09.2009, 12:43
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Another tip- Don't buy those yellowish/pinkish coloured toiled papers from Migros. They had run out of white ones so I had no choice. Anyway you wipe your @ss with them and you are never sure what you are looking at or when your backside is truly clean
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Another tip- Don't buy those yellowish/pinkish coloured toiled papers from Migros. They had run out of white ones so I had no choice. Anyway you wipe your @ss with them and you are never sure what you are looking at or when it truly is clean

I'm not sure your diet is quite as healthy as you seem to think it is...
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Old 12.09.2009, 13:33
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I'm not sure your diet is quite as healthy as you seem to think it is...
My sh.t s is not pink but yellow it can be. Eat few corn on the cob and report back If you buy that posh black toilet paper from Globus then don't eat tons of cherries. Don't be hating on my diet cause you know it's the bomb

Anyway my point was to stick with white toilet paper as it gives better contrast.

Now I must go or I will be late. I wish you all a nice weekend. I will see you guys next week or the week after next or maybe never
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Old 12.09.2009, 14:16
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Here is photo of my breakfast plate (IKEA) from this morning

1 Plum
1/2 Avocado
1 Banana
1 Cup of green tea

The mix-


Tofu cut into cubes
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Celery
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Plain almonds and cashew nuts (walnut missing today)
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red hot paprika powder
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freshly grounded black peeper
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my secret spice mix

Not a drop of oil was used in cooking the mix All water/steam power. Good fats amongst other nutrients in avocado and those nuts.

All set for a long day of walk with my Mrs.
I hope it inspires others to eat healthy That plate was filling too. I will take tasty and healthy foods over cheesecake any day.

The meal looks lovely but the flavors are something I would quite happily have for lunch rather than breakfast.

Mine consists of müsli with either milk ("drink") or natural yogurt along with a banana. The banana is a special thing to me though, it HAS to still be green at the ends or else my mouth and throat get itchy. I like bananas enough that I could quite happily have one every time I get the urge to snack... as long as they're not quite fully ripe yet.

I love avocados but can only eat them if they've got some sort of preparation going on or else they make my mouth itch as well. Guacamole is fine, fresh simple avocados not so much.



Now, as you mention your Mrs. and the day you'll spend walking, it makes me curious.

This delicious meal you have pictured, does she eat the same? Did she prepare it, or you? Have you *always* been a vegetarian or is it recent... and is she and has she always been?

You see, I ask these things because one of my struggles has to do with meal preparation. I grew up learning to cook for 7 people. While I have trimmed down my recipes a bit over the years, I still have the tendency to make enough for at least four.

Another struggle is what I would willingly adapt in my own diet vs what the other people (or now "just" one person) I am preparing meals for are willing to eat. On my own I use skim (aka "fat free") milk. On my own I'll not buy snacks except occasionally... as I know once they're home I have a hard time with willpower. On my own I'd happily eat a portion of meat the size of a deck of cards with a half cup of a starch and let the rest of the meal be veggies. BUT... I'm not cooking for myself.


Aside from food, lifestyle (read: getting off your tuckus) is something else that you wind up factoring your SO into, particularly once you're actually living together / married as opposed to dating.

On my own, I'd happily incorporate walking-for-exercise or cycling-for-exercise (as opposed to simply doing these activities to get someplace)... that was among the reasons I got a dog initially.

Even on my own, I'm not keen on getting sweaty (unless the sweaty activity is extremely enjoyable) though so the gym with a personal trainer is out. A game that involves some running (I used to be pretty good at basketball once upon a time) or activities like swimming (as if you'd know if you were sweating while you're immersed in water, right?) are in.


You see, my husband has some sway in what I cook and what activities in which I engage.
He's not into doing things for the sake of exercise any more than I am but as he's not fat, his doctor doesn't hassle him about it.
He's not into ensuring that any possible snack in the house is "healthy"... as he is not fat, his doctor is not hassling him about it.

So, I (and I suspect others who are married / attached and struggle with weight issues) have not only my own motivation vs willpower affecting what I do, I have a whole other person who affects what I can / will do.

Since he doesn't struggle with the same things, he doesn't see the need for HIM to do the things I should be doing... which makes it all the harder for me to do on my own as now there is the addition of someone else physically (if unintentionally) reminding me of how nice it is to be lazy and eat what I want.
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Old 12.09.2009, 15:33
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Anyway my point was to stick with white toilet paper as it gives better contrast.
That's eerily similar to why you prefer plain white crockery.
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Old 13.09.2009, 21:45
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

mmmm breakfast.. mine is only caffeine and then a salad for lunch and a very very light supper.

Have to.... there's a really tendency to gain weight and it's the only way I avoid weight issues.

I love to read about the goodies and get excited about some american recipes But honestly if your exercizing enough you really can splurge once in a while. If you're sedentary eating lightly is a must.
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

This story started life in the Torygraph (can't be fagged to post a link).

Thank goodness for Ben Goldacre:

http://www.badscience.net/2009/08/he...makes-you-fat/

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Old 13.09.2009, 22:45
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Have to.... there's a really tendency to gain weight and it's the only way I avoid weight issues.

I love to read about the goodies and get excited about some american recipes But honestly if your exercizing enough you really can splurge once in a while. If you're sedentary eating lightly is a must.
Surely, If you're sedentary, exercise is a must.
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Old 13.09.2009, 22:57
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Surely, If you're sedentary, exercise is a must.

But what if one has no choice but to be sedentary? I am not saying if this is so regarding the poster you quoted but...

It makes me curious if a physical therapist "working" the muscles of a quadriplegic person would provide the energy usage to allow for a rich diet?



Please, hopefully no one takes offense at my curiosity if such a circumstance applies to themselves or a loved one, I have been blessed (or cursed, depending upon view point) with the curiosity of a cat.
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Old 14.09.2009, 11:14
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Now, as you mention your Mrs. and the day you'll spend walking, it makes me curious...........
PegA I saw your long post in my inbox so even though I am trying to cut down on my EF time it would have been rude to ignore it

So to answer your questions....

Yes we eat exactly same at home. Being a man I eat slightly larger portions than her but the food is exactly same. Yes we both cook similarly. We turned vegetarian approximately 8-9 years ago....few years after we got married.

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I don't think that is nice of him. It is definitely important that both partners inspire and motivate each other to be healthy. It's in their self interest anyway unless one is trying to bump off the other and inherit all their money I will start my search to find a new husband for you asap
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Old 14.09.2009, 11:27
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But what if one has no choice but to be sedentary? I am not saying if this is so regarding the poster you quoted but...

It makes me curious if a physical therapist "working" the muscles of a quadriplegic person would provide the energy usage to allow for a rich diet?


Please, hopefully no one takes offense at my curiosity if such a circumstance applies to themselves or a loved one, I have been blessed (or cursed, depending upon view point) with the curiosity of a cat.
I think there are probably some food intake controls - either imposed by the condition or enforced by carers to control food intake to keep the weight controlled to, for example, reduce skins sores due to extra pressure, and to prevent other undesirable conditions.

A 'rich' * diet is probably not applicable or appropriate here.

I assume by 'rich' you actually mean 'a lot of food'.
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

This is a really good article. I've actually read it all. The brown fat part is quite interesting. But I still don't get it. So babies are born with it and then slowly that fat reduces ... also is there a way to use that brown fat to loose weight and if yes in what form? Looks as if this is still being looked into though, scientifically I mean.


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A very interesting article in Time magazine which questions the assumption that excercise equals weight loss. Although excercise is clearly important, it may not be as critical to a weight loss regime as many people think. One figure I've heard quoted is that most weight loss is 80% diet and 20% excercise.
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Old 14.09.2009, 11:48
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You go sisters... I agree with you totally!!!

I cant be bothered with workouts and stuff but LUUURRVVEE eating. The only bit of excercise I get is when cooking. Meat has to be fried just right before adding spices and then Yummm... followed by really really suger rich sweets!! HEAVEN!!

And then either going to blissful sleep or watching a movie or playing Xbox!!

Nothing more I ask from the Lord!!

Let the loonies Run and work out like crazy to have a Healthy life?
For what? For a long life?
Long life for what? So they can Run and work out a bit more

I luuurrrvvve food too. But unfortunately I'm not one of those lucky people who can eat anything and do nothing and still stay slim and fit. But I love to be in shape and look good in my clothes. And out of them. And for that, exercise really makes a difference, believe me.

It is true though that it's very hard to lose weight by exercise alone and not changing your diet, I've only done it once, when I started as group fitness instructor (my part time job) and was of course taking all the possible classes I could find to teach, so I was doing about 2-3 tough fitness classes per day, every day. Then I really could eat pretty much whatever I wanted, but this is not a schedule I would recommend for longer periods of time.
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Old 14.09.2009, 17:23
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But unfortunately I'm not one of those lucky people who can eat anything and do nothing and still stay slim and fit.
So conversly, the people who eat anything and never take exercise but get obese and unwell are unlucky?

I think you make your own luck
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So conversly, the people who eat anything and never take exercise but get obese and unwell are unlucky?

I think you make your own luck
Well that's an interesting point of view of course. But yes, I do consider the people who have faster metabolism luckier, as I really do like food and eating, but if I didn't keep an eye on it, I would get fat. But some friends of mine can and do eat like horses and never have to worry about gaining a kilo but are always slim. So while of course your cardiovascual fitness or muscle tone etc are different matters, those people have one less thing to worry about (the weight gain).

I think that most people would agree that it's better to be normal weight than overweight, right? So if one person can stay normal weight without doing anything and another one has to put a lot of effort in it, I do think that at least from this aspect person 1 has it easier.
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I luuurrrvvve food too. But unfortunately I'm not one of those lucky people who can eat anything and do nothing and still stay slim and fit. But I love to be in shape and look good in my clothes. And out of them. And for that, exercise really makes a difference, believe me.
Hmmm... maybe I should check you out in, as well as out of clothes, just for motivation I mean (only if you're female)

I guess Im one of those lucky people who can eat anything and do nothing and still dont give a french connection uk about how we look, as long as we feel good
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I think that most people would agree that it's better to be normal weight than overweight, right?
From a health point of view yes.

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So if one person can stay normal weight without doing anything and another one has to put a lot of effort in it, I do think that at least from this aspect person 1 has it easier.
I can truthfully say that do not know of one person who stays a normal weight without either eating (and drinking) sensibly or taking exercise, or both.

I know a lot of overweight people who are just deceiving themselves (or others) over either how much exercise they take or how much they eat (and drink).

Most of these have serious secondary health problems caused by their obseity which limit what they can do in life. It's a shame, especially when these are people whom one cares about.

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