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Old 20.04.2007, 21:45
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Two foreigners...are their children foreigners too?

Hello,

I need some help with some legal matters, regarding families and the citizenships of their members.

What happens if a female German citizen with a C permit and and a male Italian citizen with no permit have a child who is born in Switzerland?

1) What is the nationality of the new-born baby, if he/she is born in Switzerland (considering that Germany doesn't allow double citizenship)? Are there different options or just one?

2) Is there a chance for his/her father to have a residence permit in Switzerland? With or without getting married?
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Hello,

I need some help with some legal matters, regarding families and the citizenships of their members.

What happens if a female German citizen with a C permit and and a male Italian citizen with no permit have a child who is born in Switzerland?

1) What is the nationality of the new-born baby, if he/she is born in Switzerland (considering that Germany doesn't allow double citizenship)? Are there different options or just one?

2) Is there a chance for his/her father to have a residence permit in Switzerland? With or without getting married?
1. German or Italian and Yes Germany does allow double citizenship in certain cases. And later potentially Swiss - but not till 18.

2. Yes and Yes.
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1. German or Italian and Yes Germany does allow double citizenship in certain cases. And later potentially Swiss - but not till 18.
Not correct.

Should the parents decide to take swiss nationality and include their children, then they can in affect become swiss citizens long before their 18th. birthday, just depends when they were born.

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Re: Two foreigners...are their children foreigners too?

It also depends on the nationality of the parents. I know two parents non-Swiss and their children did not get the CH nationality simply because the were born here. They did get the nationalities of their parents though. They have lived here for 36 years and the guy still does not have the Swiss nationality.
I don't think anyone would get residency rights here simply because the child was born here. Since CH is not in the EU, the rules don't apply.
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Re: Two foreigners...are their children foreigners too?

I even know of third generation here that are not swiss, the question is whether they want to be or not?

Parents,first generation,their offspring and their children,all born here except for the grandparents.

Sad.

No, being born here means absolutely nothing, means only that you entered the world here.
No affiliation,other than someone foots the bill.

It is up to the individual to do something about it, ie . the parents when it is possible.
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Re: Two foreigners...are their children foreigners too?

that is also the case for many other countries. to become a citizen, one has to get naturalized.
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Hello,

I need some help with some legal matters, regarding families and the citizenships of their members.

What happens if a female German citizen with a C permit and and a male Italian citizen with no permit have a child who is born in Switzerland?

1) What is the nationality of the new-born baby, if he/she is born in Switzerland (considering that Germany doesn't allow double citizenship)? Are there different options or just one?

2) Is there a chance for his/her father to have a residence permit in Switzerland? With or without getting married?
well the child is definitely not Swiss. Naturalisation can be applied for after 12 years of residence. Children who visit school here can be naturalised quicker as schoolyears count double.
I don't think having a child will alllow the parent to received a permit without marriage.
The best place to answer all your questions is the 'Einwohnerkontrolle, Zivilstandsamt, or the Gemeinde.
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Citizenship for babies born in Switzerland

Dear all

I am from India and my wife is currently pregnant. Me and my wife are discussing where to have the delivery, whether in India / Zurich. Can the baby get citizenship if it is born in Swiss. if not, is there in any other advantage of getting the delivery here.

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Old 03.05.2007, 17:38
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Dear all

I am from India and my wife is currently pregnant. Me and my wife are discussing where to have the delivery, whether in India / Zurich. Can the baby get citizenship if it is born in Swiss. if not, is there in any other advantage of getting the delivery here.

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It might help to run a search in the forum, as this was recently discussed here.
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Old 03.05.2007, 17:40
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Re: Citizenship for babies born in Switzerland

Children born in Switzerland have no right to Swiss nationality. Your child will be Indian just like you & your wife. The big advantage here is the standard of care, I have no idea what hospitals are like in India but here they tend to be better, in my experience, than the UK. Also consider how much time you would need to be apart, your wife would not be able to fly without a Dr's cert after 7 months and it is probabl that for long haul the Dr would/could refuse to issue one for medical reasons.
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Re: Two foreigners...are their children foreigners too?

LOU is right; I am from the UK, lived here 7 years, my wife of 14 months is from China lived here 3 years, prior to that 4 years in germany. My daughter came 3 weeks ago and it is clear that despite me having the C permit and my wife the the 5 year B, the baby clearly does not have citezenship from Swiss. She does have automatic citenzenship of the UK thanks to me, and if she wants she can take the Chinese passport (unfortunately though the Chinese dont permit dual status) so the fact is that in Swiss (as i think is also the case in most EU countries now) without naturalisation there are no confered rights of statehood for the offspring of non naturalized parents in Swiss. My question is, what is your status and that of your wife in Swiss now and at the time of the birth?
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An even dumber line of questioning for citizenship via birth....

I've read the threads....I haven't come across many Americans on this forum. My question is:

Does the same apply to Americans? If I end up giving birth to my baby in Lausanne, and have no intention of taking up permanent residence in Switzerland, is my baby elligible for Swiss citizenship? I think I know the answer, but I want to make sure.

Also, as an American (again, sorry for the assumption that it might be different for me) how difficult will it be for me to get some kind of temporary work permit while my fiance/husband works full time for the Swiss company that has sponsored him? I have no interest in workign for his company. I'd find something else, if possible.

Any thoughts?
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Re: Two foreigners...are their children foreigners too?

No, your child will be not be a Swiss citizen if the parent are not. Where they are born doesn't matter at all. I believe they would be US citizens if both or even one of the parents are US citizens but there is some rule about how long ago you lived in the US.
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No, your child will be not be a Swiss citizen if the parent are not. Where they are born doesn't matter at all. I believe they would be US citizens if both or even one of the parents are US citizens but there is some rule about how long ago you lived in the US.

I am American and my son was born in France. Technically, you are to have lived at least five years in the States and be able to prove it before the US consulate will recognize the birth. Because I met these requirements my son was born American.

However, I was never asked if I had lived in the States for at least five years or to present any documentation proving this even though I had brought the documentation. I was given a birth document right away and he has an American passport.

My other two children with my French hubby were born in the States and all he had to do was have the French embassy recognize their births. They were, however, born French.


If we were to have another child here in Switzerland that child would be born both French and American but not Swiss.
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Does the same apply to Americans? If I end up giving birth to my baby in Lausanne, and have no intention of taking up permanent residence in Switzerland, is my baby elligible for Swiss citizenship?
The Swiss don't care where you come from, being born in Switzerland doesn't make your child Swiss. Even being born in Switzerland to a foreigner who possesses a Swiss passport doesn't automatically make their children Swiss!
My experience (from 18 years ago) but I think it still applies. I'm American and my X was French but had a Swiss pass because of a previous marriage. Our daughter was born in Zurich and within a few months I applied for American citizenship which was granted immediately. The Swiss was a different matter, we applied and had to wait 6 months or more before it was finally approved.
In Switzerland having Swiss citizenship doesn't make you a "Swiss", you're still just a "foreigner" in possession of a Swiss passport.
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I am American and have Swiss citizenship. My daughter was born in America but I was able to get her Swiss citizenship with no problem. Actually I received her Swiss citizenship while still in the USA then when we returned to Switzerland she had to get her own Swiss passport. Before the child was put in the Swiss parents' passport. I think after age 5? the child now has to have their own passport.
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