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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

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pregnant mother dies, hasnt had vaccination:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...ting_Swine_Flu
Thanks, I like when people quote their sources.
Ultimately whether you get vaccinated or not is your option, but it is recommended that pregnant women do (actually they are first on the list -my quote above). If I were pregnant (and even if I weren't) Ill get the shot. I have Asthma and I have a higher risk of complications.
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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

I asked my gynaecologist about it a few weeks ago, and he was pretty clear in saying he didn't think the vaccine was necessary. I'll be pregnant all through the winter.
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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

i have 2 kids. 3 weeks ago i met the pediatrician for 1 month control of the little one. i was told that the H1N1 vaccine will be available in end October in switzerland. She advised us

for new born, not suitable
for my daughter (she is 2), better take it as she goes to gargerie currently
for parents, take it for the sake of the newborn

during my pregnancy, I didn't think about taking vaccination even if it would be released cause I'm not sure of the impact to baby. I was just extremely careful
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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

Some more articles on the subject:

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...0730-e1r5.htmlhttp://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...0730-e1r5.html


http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/canada-warns-pregnant-women-about-swine-flu-risks-20090711-dgj3.html


From the Center of Disease Control and prevention:
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/recommendations.htm

My OBGYN didn't even mention swine flu, vaccines or Tamiflu.

Back in July the WHO recommended anti-viral drug treatments for pregnant women, but said that pregnant women should be given priority for the vaccine when it is out.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/pregnant-women-need-swine-flu-drugs-who-20090801-e4ob.html
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My OBGYN didn't even mention swine flu, vaccines or Tamiflu.
Yep some do not seem to be worried and some are being extra protective (will not shake hands with you for instance). Your last articles mentions the same recommendations that did my post
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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

on the subject of A/H1N1 deaths, does this mean that from all the deaths, there has been one expectant mother?

I know one expectant mother who took a risk going to the swine-infested island (UK) and survived - and is not thinking of getting the vaccine. Isn't the vaccine a potted version of the virus anyway?
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on the subject of A/H1N1 deaths, does this mean that from all the deaths, there has been one expectant mother?

I know one expectant mother who took a risk going to the swine-infested island (UK) and survived - and is not thinking of getting the vaccine. Isn't the vaccine a potted version of the virus anyway?
It seems you have not been following the news, but it has been identified that pregnant women have more chances of having complications due to this news strain of influenza. This has been done by epidemiologists, they study thousands of cases, not only one. Hence, they can extrapolate their findings to the general population. Also, a vaccine can be a dead virus or an attenuated form also as inactivated toxoid etc.
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Isn't the vaccine a potted version of the virus anyway?
Not exactly. The most widely used flu vaccine is what's known as a subunit inactivated vaccine ie the virus strains are grown (in eggs, incidentally), collected, purified and inactivated, usually by chemicals. The inactive viruses are then broken down into their subunits, the proteins neuraminidase and haemagglutinin, and formulated into the vaccine dose. They contain no viral DNA, so are therefore incapable of "reactivating" and becoming pathogenic. All they do is to mimic an infection and induce an immune response. Vaccine side-effects are as a result of the immune-response kicking into action, and not directly from the vaccine itself.
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I was wondering what kind of advice women who are currently pregnant in Switzerland (and reading this) have gotten about getting or not getting the H1N1 vaccine?

A few months ago, my OBGYN said "yes" for the regular flu vaccine, but "not necessary" for the H1N1 vaccine. A few hours ago, listening to my morning dose of NPR radio from the US, I'm once again wondering if I should get the vaccine.
Despite being wholeheartedly for the typical vaccines, I don't intend to take any kind of flu vaccine in the near and distant future (I have no allergy to any of the vaccine components)

This happened two times and wasted few weeks of my live. After taking the vaccine I had experienced severe side effects - neurological pains and moderate fever.

I prefer to wait and observe the situation - now due to media paranoia (despite swine flu killed less people than ordinary flu) there are many guinea pigs willing to test the vaccine (mass influenza vaccinations don't have a very long history). If any adverse side effects appear then hopefully they'll get reported and analysed...
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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

Well., the German Bundeswehr will get a vaccine free of some of the very dangerous additives.

http://www.openyoureyesnews.com/2009...u-vaccination/

http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Wirbel-um...cle543091.html

I remember another US forum with a comment like this:

Anyone approaching me or my family with a Vaccine shot will get a nice lead vaccination.

Some good links about the topic

http://www.impfkritik.de/

http://www.openyoureyesnews.com/2009...-shun-vaccine/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/mums-to-...ntroversy.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/big-phar...mongering.html
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there are many guinea pigs willing to test the vaccine (mass influenza vaccinations don't have a very long history). If any adverse side effects appear then hopefully they'll get reported and analysed...
I think you'll find that the H1N1 vaccine has been tested pretty thoroughly on plenty of subjects and has passed the necessary efficacy and safety criteria.
Sorry to hear you had a bad reaction though, it's pretty rare, but not unheard of. Everyone has to make their own choice with regrds to flu, I chose to take it (the seasonal, not H1N1), whereas my wife didn't.
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Well., the German Bundeswehr will get a vaccine free of some of the very dangerous additives.

http://www.openyoureyesnews.com/2009...u-vaccination/

http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Wirbel-um...cle543091.html

I remember another US forum with a comment like this:

Anyone approaching me or my family with a Vaccine shot will get a nice lead vaccination.

Some good links about the topic

http://www.impfkritik.de/

http://www.openyoureyesnews.com/2009...-shun-vaccine/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/mums-to-...ntroversy.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/big-phar...mongering.html
Is this actually scientific?
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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

Like 5AVeci said:

There are many Guinea Pigs.

Dont bother reading! Just take the ****.

Show me your "Scientific links". How foolish...

Check for Guillain-Barré-Syndrom in the 70s.

http://infowars.wordpress.com/2009/1...dheitsschaden/
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Like 5AVeci said:

There are many Guinea Pigs.

Dont bother reading! Just take the ****.

Show me your "Scientific links". How foolish...
Yes I've spent 6 years of my life doing epidemiology... I am the foolish one...
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..., but it is recommended that pregnant women do (actually they are first on the list -my quote above). If I were pregnant (and even if I weren't) Ill get the shot. I have Asthma and I have a higher risk of complications.
And this is your conclusion then?

After 6 years in epidomology?

Im sure that Mercury will do wonders with your current health problems...

Dont touch that **** with a barge pole...
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Well., the German Bundeswehr will get a vaccine free of some of the very dangerous additives.

http://www.openyoureyesnews.com/2009...u-vaccination/

http://www.n-tv.de/politik/Wirbel-um...cle543091.html

I remember another US forum with a comment like this:

Anyone approaching me or my family with a Vaccine shot will get a nice lead vaccination.

Some good links about the topic

http://www.impfkritik.de/

http://www.openyoureyesnews.com/2009...-shun-vaccine/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/mums-to-...ntroversy.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/big-phar...mongering.html
Good links? More like paranoid conspiracy theories based on outdated and largely discredited ideas.
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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

Show us some links then!

Beside, have you even read them?!

I'd say NO.

I'll quote for you:

Der Beipackzettel für den H1N1 2009 Monovalent Impfstoff der von Novartis hergestellt wird ist im Internet veröffentlicht worden. Darin steht, der Impfstoff basiert auf einen Vorgänger genannt Fluvirin und kann eine ganze Reihe von erheblichen Nebenwirkungen und Gesundheitsschäden bewirken, wie das Guillain-Barre Syndrome, Vaskulitis, anaphylaktischer Schock und sogar den Tod.

...

Im Beipackzettel steht auch, die Dosis von 0,5 ml beinhaltet Thiomersal als Konservierungsmittel bestehend aus Quecksilber in einer Menge von 25 Mikrogramm. Quecksilber ist aber bekanntlich ein Nervengift und sollte deshalb vermieden werden. Wegen der kumulierenden Quecksilberbelastung von Kindern durch die routinemässigen Kinderimpfungen wird vermutet, neurologische Störungen wie z. B. Autismus wird dadurch ausgelöst.

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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

I believe I have posted some links before maybe you just didn't see them?
ANd GUillian Barre is a rare complication of an infection, usually viral. You can also read wikipedia if all that scientific stuff is way too much for you

Oh and it is 6 years of Epidemiology plus some 10 in Medicine
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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

You do realise that 25microg is an 1/8 of the dose of Mercury that is considered dangerous in INFANTS, let alone adults.
Even then, companies have produced Thiomersal-free vaccine, purely for those who are still concerned about it.
I have read the rubbish on www.aegis.ch, so I know what those other links will be like, probably word for word.

And with a Bachelors in biology and a PhD in biochemistry, I consider myslef pretty wise. How about you?
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Re: What are pregnant women (or spouses) hearing about getting H1N1 vaccine?

Well, it seems I didnt have to study 6 or even 20 years, just check the information on the internet to know the vaccine is full of unneccesary additives

Happy swallowing!

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