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H1N1: Got the vaccine AND the flu...

I thought I would share my little 'adventures' with you, as it is a recurrent topic these days:

I got the H1N1 vaccine (pandemrix) 2 weeks ago, and my son got the Celtura a few days after.

About 2 or 3 days later my collegue caught the flu. We share the same office, and we usually have lunch together. Well, a few days after, I came down with the flu too...

Severe sore throat, cough, backache, tiredness, mild fever. Not catastrophic, but disagreable. And of course, a few days after, my son got it as well. It took him a whole week to recover (today is his first day without fever, since Monday), with a temparature oscillating between 38 and 39.5.

The explanation is : the vaccine takes 2 weeks to be fully effective, and we got contaminated before being fully protected... Speak of bad luck!

Thus, if you wish to get the vaccine now, take into consideration that the epidemy is spreading full blast now, and it might be to late...
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Re: H1N1: Got the vaccine AND the flu...

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Well the pharmacy company says "thank you" for your loyalty and will offer you 5% for buying their medi...no wait, buy it full price and be happy

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I thought I would share my little 'adventures' with you, as it is a recurrent topic these days:

I got the H1N1 vaccine (pandemrix) 2 weeks ago, and my son got the Celtura a few day after.

About 2 or 3 days later my collegue caught the flu. We share the same office, and we usually have lunch together. Well, a few days after, I came down with the flu too...

Severe sore throat, cough, backache, tiredness, mild fever, 'normal' flu. Not catastrophic, but disagreable. And of course, a few days after, my son got it as well. It took him a whole week to recover (today is his first day without fever, since Monday), with a temparature oscillating between 38 and 39.5.

The explanation is : the vaccine takes 2 weeks to be fully effective, and we got contaminated before being fully protected... Speak of bad luck!

Thus, if you wish to get the vaccine now, take into consideration that the epidemy is spreading full blast now, and it might be to late...

You were vaccinated againast H1N1 , but was that the flu you caught ??? Most likely some other flu...

BTW, The vaccine is a complete waste of time. The risk is far greater than the benefits. The amount of fear spread around concerning the virus will do far greater damage than the virus itself.
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I got the H1N1 vaccine (pandemrix) 2 weeks ago, and my son got the Celtura a few days after.

About 2 or 3 days later my collegue caught the flu. We share the same office, and we usually have lunch together. Well, a few days after, I came down with the flu too...
Bummer. At least you're properly immune to it now.
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You were vaccinated againast H1N1 , but was that the flu you caught ??? Most likely some other flu...
A fair question, IMO.

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BTW, The vaccine is a complete waste of time. The risk is far greater than the benefits. The amount of fear spread around concerning the virus will do far greater damage than the virus itself.
Care to substantiate the first two sentences? I think the third sentence might be a bit over-dramatic, but I would agree there seems to have been a level of hysteria about the risks of H1N1 quite out of proportion to the actual size of the problem.

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Re: H1N1: Got the vaccine AND the flu...

When I saw your location I had to laugh. I got the flu shot a week ago Monday and the flu on the Friday. Same comment about the time it takes for the vaccine to kick in. Just a bit late.

So more or less a full week in bed. Major chills, sweats, muscle ache, headache (thank you Advil gel caps). Temp. 38.7°c. The normal fun stuff of the flu.

The temp broke Wed. night so as of Thurs am no more temp but still a bad cough and head cold. And of course feeling pretty beaten up.

Oh well.

Might go back to bed for a bit of a rest.
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You were vaccinated againast H1N1 , but was that the flu you caught ??? Most likely some other flu...
I'm vaccinated against the other 'normal' flu (did it beginning of Nov.), and I think it's not here yet anyway.

My collegue had the H1N1, that's for sure, and I got exactly the same symptoms than him, so I guess there's no mystery here...

The flu was not worse than the other 'normal' flus I've had in my life, but the cough is persistant and I can't seem to get rid of it.
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Re: H1N1: Got the vaccine AND the flu...

SOrry to hear you got the flu, are you sure it was the AH1N1 variant though?
ANyways, it is well known that the vaccine takes 2 weeks to actually be effective. I had it a month ago and since I am high risk for complications will get a second shot tomorrow. Still I got a nasty cold (caused by a rhinovirus) a week and a half ago, but it was not the swine flu. The have to test you to be sure you have it.

Take care!
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Bummer. At least you're properly immune to it now.
please remember NO vaccine is 100% effective !!!! so you can still get flu/swine flu anytime after having the vaccination
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please remember NO vaccine is 100% effective !!!! so you can still get flu/swine flu anytime after having the vaccination
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A fair question, IMO.



Care to substantiate the first two sentences? I think the third senstence might be a bit over-dramatic, but I would agree there seems to have been a level of hysteria about the risks of H1N1 quite out of proportion to the actual size of the problem.
The % risk factor , i.e. how many people per million will either die or suffer moderate to severe symtpoms or permanent damage from the vaccine does not justify the use of the vaccine in terms of the number of lives it will save. Usage of the vaccine outside of the indicated high risk groups is absolutely unnecessary and exposes people to risk. The risk of overuse of this vaccine and the mutation of the virus is a far more serious issue...

To balance the drug company lobbied government vaccine campaign's view, read an alternative/opposing view...

http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/2009/09...s-useless.html
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BTW, The vaccine is a complete waste of time. The risk is far greater than the benefits. The amount of fear spread around concerning the virus will do far greater damage than the virus itself.
Really, I assume you are a doctor or in the medical profession and therefore qualified to make that statement?
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I'm vaccinated against the other 'normal' flu (did it beginning of Nov.), and I think it's not here yet anyway.

My collegue had the H1N1, that's for sure, and I got exactly the same symptoms than him, so I guess there's no mystery here...

The flu was not worse than the other 'normal' flus I've had in my life, but the cough is persistant and I can't seem to get rid of it.
Still sounds like a normal seasonal flu to me, one thing about this swine flu , and from the people I spoke to that have had it , upset stomachs and diarrhea seem to be a symptom most likely to differentiate swine flu from seasonal flus...Regardless , only a bloood test will confirm which flu you have or had... Aren't mild flu like symptoms (sorry to belittle your suffering) a possible side effect of any flu vaccine anyway ?
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The % risk factor , i.e. how many people per million will either die or suffer moderate to severe symtpoms or permanent damage from the vaccine does not justify the use of the vaccine in terms of the number of lives it will save. Usage of the vaccine outside of the indicated high risk groups is absolutely unnecessary and exposes people to risk. The risk of overuse of this vaccine and the mutation of the virus is a far more serious issue...

To balance the drug company lobbied government vaccine campaign's view, read an alternative/opposing view...

http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/2009/09...s-useless.html
I can only say that you know nothing on risk-benefit ratio evaluation. Is that a "conspiracy theorist" webpage you have quoted? Ridiculous...
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Re: H1N1: Got the vaccine AND the flu...

Back home it is now more H1N1 than the seasonal bug. I am so glad we went proactive (although I did have my big doubts, but pretty much found out that the consequence of flu itself pose the same risks as the vaccines but way more elevated) and had the jabs two weeks ago in CHUV. I knew one is even more susseptible to anything not only to H1N1 for two three weeks after the jab, since his immune system is working overdrive and can get exhasuted. So we avoided mass crowds for that time.

My friends here are still desperately wating for their peds to call them in for the jabs and then they will have the waiting period. It was expected the H1N1 peaking roughly first few weeks in Jan, so the docs were slow (some still do not have the vax available for the non risk people). Now it is expected to really hit mid Dec, if I remember right from the news. It was interesting to see the press conf with health CH authorities being hammered by journalists, why everything took so long here, as opposed to abroad.

I am glad for having counted on the "quaranteen" before the vax kicks in, now all the playgroups, malls, gyms, xmas markets are safe for us (relatively speaking, I would so hate to jinx this, haha).

Good luck to anyone with flu, though, I sympathize. But just think it is better to get sick now than during the holidays. And apparetly getting ill after being vaxed still makes the symptoms milder.

Now I only have to figure out why the little one has a persistant cough and runny nose, past 4 weeks
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Really, I assume you are a doctor or in the medical profession and therefore qualified to make that statement?
Well you know what they say about assume dont you...

I dont have to be a doctor to offer a laymans oppinion in a non medical forum do I ? Does one have to be qualified to offer an opinnion ? I can go to respectable sources of information and digest the evidence just as any Doctor or health official can...
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Well you know what they say about assume dont you...

I dont have to be a doctor to offer a laymans oppinion
So here goes my "layman's" opinion on black holes: I have never seen one so they dont exist...
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To balance the drug company lobbied government vaccine campaign's view, read an alternative/opposing view...

http://www.fightbackh1n1.com/2009/09...s-useless.html

Yep, you should buy the cure advertised on that site instead.

First time I ever heard of a flu cure, bet there's some money in that.
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I can only say that you know nothing on risk-benefit ratio evaluation. Is that a "conspiracy theorist" webpage you have quoted? Ridiculous...
Why do you say that then , what do you know about what I know ? Why is this a conspiracy theory ? It's an opposing viewpoint, that doesnt make it a conspiracy theory... Which part of the web site do you disagree with, your reply came too quickly for you to have read any article on that site, so are you shooting from the hip ?
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Still sounds like a normal seasonal flu to me, one thing about this swine flu , and from the people I spoke to that have had it , upset stomachs and diarrhea seem to be a symptom most likely to differentiate swine flu from seasonal flus...Regardless , only a bloood test will confirm which flu you have or had... Aren't mild flu like symptoms (sorry to belittle your suffering) a possible side effect of any flu vaccine anyway ?
Actually, my doc told me that I after 10 days the vaccine probably had started to kick in, and I had a slightly attenuated version of it. And secondary effects 10 day after a vaccine, that's a bit long, no?!

I think I have the telltale 'cough' typical of the flu.

But you're right, without blood tests, no way to be 100% sure...
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