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... Anyone who I know who has kids always rather veers more to the "better be safe than sorry" side, since our kids will have a life time to load themselves with crap later on, why overpack their little immune system with work to do already now...
One might counter that the age of overloading children with toxins has probably passed us or is passing us by. Every day, we "discover" something new that is bad for us.

I would suggest that those growing up in the 50-80s will have been most exposed through the modern industrialisation - i.e. post war boom. We are now starting to weed these things out...

Others might also argue that all this sanitisation is leading to increased rates of asthma, eczema and atopic dermatitis...
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One might counter that the age of overloading children with toxins has probably passed us or is passing us by. Every day, we "discover" something new that is bad for us.

I would suggest that those growing up in the 50-80s will have been most exposed through the modern industrialisation - i.e. post war boom. We are now starting to weed these things out...

Others might also argue that all this sanitisation is leading to increased rates of asthma, eczema and atopic dermatitis...
Oh yeah, totally..It is always a lottery thing, the best is not to worry too much, be moderate but do pay attention to warnings. I tend to take the warnings into consideration since you can always change your mind about being overprotective laters, it does not work the other way around, though, after the damage has been done.

I am completely with the ones who think oversanitation is bad, yeah. Avoiding harmful chemicals is a dif thing than oversanitizing our environment, though. I tend to think it is the residues of sanitation chemicals are actually doing the damage more than simply clean environment, since it is quite impossible to have really 100% sterile home, etc. It is way better to scrab with water every now and then than simply spray with sanitizing bull*. Aerosols, btw, I think are potentially the worst things, aside of the crap that leaks out of plastic, etc.
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Do I still need to give a source for the carcinigens, it looks like others have already covered it. I am just saying that the mother has the full right to protect her children from what she knows is bad.
Now, being alive is about polluting your body from time to time isn't it? I try to eat healthy when I can, then again I love Hash(the meat product). So, for me, it's a balance. I'll avoid fries, and occasionally eat deep fried pig ears/fat/skin/etc. I won't get a mountain of chocolate swirl at Starbucks on my coffee, but I'll have a bannanas foster at 3am. And we all know about the beer and the wine...
But what is at McDonalds, alot of what they offer, isn't food I would want my kids to get an aquired taste to. The Chicken nuggets don't even need to be made with flesh meat. Take a look inside one time, ever notice how the interior resembles more of a combination of chicken skin and egg emulsion? I noticed at the Kinderhort they were feeding the kids this. McDonald's too. I mean, what are kids most of the time eating when they are in there? A hearty burger? Kids can enjoy eating in restaurants and learning a respect for those around them, without having to be blasted with entertainment where ever they go, and food that pop in their mouth.

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My daughter was curious of the paper on the table and she went to see it. The mother wanted to give her fries wihout asking ME if it was ok. I stop her saying I didn't want my daughter eats that.
I totally understand you being upset...that mom was probably A MURDERER and she wanted to give your daughter A POISONED FRENCH FRIE !!!

How dare she...giving your daughter fast-food without your permission, that's against THE LAW !
You should have called the police right away, and maybe Child Protection Services to stop that woman from torturing other children !!! Oh, you should have also sued her, and McD's too...

These soccer moms need to get a life...
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Uhm, wow...must be a full moon or sumfin
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I don't quite agree with you yet, but it's a point well made.

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Do I still need to give a source for the carcinigens, it looks like others have already covered it. I am just saying that the mother has the full right to protect her children from what she knows is bad.
Now, being alive is about polluting your body from time to time isn't it? I try to eat healthy when I can, then again I love Hash(the meat product). So, for me, it's a balance. I'll avoid fries, and occasionally eat deep fried pig ears/fat/skin/etc. I won't get a mountain of chocolate swirl at Starbucks on my coffee, but I'll have a bannanas foster at 3am. And we all know about the beer and the wine...
But what is at McDonalds, alot of what they offer, isn't food I would want my kids to get an aquired taste to. The Chicken nuggets don't even need to be made with flesh meat. Take a look inside one time, ever notice how the interior resembles more of a combination of chicken skin and egg emulsion? I noticed at the Kinderhort they were feeding the kids this. McDonald's too. I mean, what are kids most of the time eating when they are in there? A hearty burger? Kids can enjoy eating in restaurants and learning a respect for those around them, without having to be blasted with entertainment where ever they go, and food that pop in their mouth.
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

Moderation and a balanced diet is the best...in a party setting I would find it a bit ridiculous to give my kids vegetables while all the other kids have cake...gotta lighten up and enjoy life once in awhile. If the regular diet is healthy, then once in awhile is not gonna hurt them.
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"OMG! Yes! Children do need SOME salt. Everything in moderation no extremes in either way. You can't keep salt completely out of a kid's diet. "
I have to respond to this. There is enough salt in almost anything one eats these days, to accomodate dietary health concerns. I doubt one has to start measuring tea spoons of salt daily to get their daily recommended dose.
I agree. All things in moderation.

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Fixed that. Has any adult tried taking kids medicine, e.g. calpol or something similar?

They are actually incredibly bitter and if not for the suger, you'd have major difficulty getting a child to take their medicine.

That said, it can go too far, our youngest (14 mo at the time) used to say "yum yum" everytime we got his antibiotic liquid medicine out the fridge before dosing... addict in the making?
LOL! He learns fast! Hhahaha!

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One might counter that the age of overloading children with toxins has probably passed us or is passing us by. Every day, we "discover" something new that is bad for us.

I would suggest that those growing up in the 50-80s will have been most exposed through the modern industrialisation - i.e. post war boom. We are now starting to weed these things out...

Others might also argue that all this sanitisation is leading to increased rates of asthma, eczema and atopic dermatitis...
Yeah I remember a report being done about the bad affect that over sanitizing the kid's environment is. Kids do need to be exposed to certain amounts so their immune system can grow. So be as clean as possible but don't obsess over germs, their bodies need SOME exposure in order to learn how to fight and build up immunity.

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I totally understand you being upset...that mom was probably A MURDERER and she wanted to give your daughter A POISONED FRENCH FRIE !!!

How dare she...giving your daughter fast-food without your permission, that's against THE LAW !
You should have called the police right away, and maybe Child Protection Services to stop that woman from torturing other children !!! Oh, you should have also sued her, and McD's too...

These soccer moms need to get a life...
LOL! Are you nuts! You never put any kind of food into a kid's mouth without asking the parents first, the kid could be allergic to some things or have a specific diet for whatever reason. That's a big no-no even if you mean well.

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Moderation and a balanced diet is the best...in a party setting I would find it a bit ridiculous to give my kids vegetables while all the other kids have cake...gotta lighten up and enjoy life once in awhile. If the regular diet is healthy, then once in awhile is not gonna hurt them.
Exactly! That would be mean!

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"I totally understand you being upset...that mom was probably A MURDERER and she wanted to give your daughter A POISONED FRENCH FRIE !!!

How dare she...giving your daughter fast-food without your permission, that's against THE LAW !
You should have called the police right away, and maybe Child Protection Services to stop that woman from torturing other children !!! Oh, you should have also sued her, and McD's too...

These soccer moms need to get a life... "

I think it's a fair question to ask if you are a parent yourself? You have taken this to the far end of the extreme. Regarding your 2nd statement, haven't you ever heard the phrase "don't take gifts, food, rides from strangers?" when talking to kids? There is a reason to have your child mindful of what is out there, but not freak them out at the same time.
It's not what the OP was saying at all. I think you should take a back seat to generalizing and think about what it is that is being said here.
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

It’s really non of your business what people feed THEIR children...get off your high horse and stop criticizing. Its not your place to sit there (or type) and pass judgment on parents food choices. It could have been a one off non-event (they were on their way to Gymboree, their child was hungry, and they didn’t have anything) and suddenly there are turning their children into morbidly obese adults…ridiculous !
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LOL! Are you nuts! You never put any kind of food into a kid's mouth without asking the parents first, the kid could be allergic to some things or have a specific diet for whatever reason. That's a big no-no even if you mean well.
Sorry, never heard of being allergic to french fries or a hamburger ! Or of a kid dying because a stranger fed him some junk-food...gezaz !

Besides, it's her fault...why did she left her daughter unsupervised ? She definitely made a way too bigger deal than it really was...
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Sorry, never heard of being allergic to french fries or a hamburger ! Or of a kid dying because a stranger fed him some junk-food...gezaz !

Besides, it's her fault...why did she left her daughter unsupervised ? She definitely made a way too bigger deal than it really was...
LOL - there's always a first time
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I think it's a fair question to ask if you are a parent yourself? You have taken this to the far end of the extreme. Regarding your 2nd statement, haven't you ever heard the phrase "don't take gifts, food, rides from strangers?" when talking to kids? There is a reason to have your child mindful of what is out there, but not freak them out at the same time.
It's not what the OP was saying at all. I think you should take a back seat to generalizing and think about what it is that is being said here.
lol, I'm the one who took it to the extreme ? And not HER???, offended by the fact that another MOM (it wasn't just any stranger, I could've undersoot her point if it was some creepy homeless guy) gave her daughter a couple of french fries from one of the most popular fast-foods on the planet ?????? Gezaz son of Mary...I heard of mothers wanting to protect their kids, but this is just STUPID !!! Why don't you start keeping your kids in leashes, dear mommys, like that you'll be sure they won't get fed or kidnapped by strangers !
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lol, I'm the one who took it to the extreme ? And not HER???, offended by the fact that another MOM (it wasn't just any stranger, I could've undersoot her point if it was some creepy homeless guy) gave her daughter a couple of french fries from one of the most popular fast-foods on the planet ?????? Gezaz son of Mary...I heard of mothers wanting to protect their kids, but this is just STUPID !!! Why don't you start keeping your kids in leashes, dear mommys, like that you'll be sure they won't get fed or kidnapped by strangers !
That's not extreme at all! I thought it was common knowlege that especially now a days people don't go feeding other people's kids without asking the parents permission. I can't believe that YOU don't see anything wrong with it. Maybe it's a cultural difference but where I'm from you don't do that. You always ask. As far as candy, some babies don't know how to suck hard candy without choking on it, so candy is a no-no too. I can't believe you don't know this.
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Helloooo ??? Ladyyy...it wasn't feeding or stuffing, it was a couple of lousy french fries !!! Have you ever heard of anyone chocking on a french frie ?

Oh, and I didn't even mention candy, mommy dearest...the subject was fast-food !

What cultural differences ? No, more likely age difference...adults can be so paranoic at times !
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What cultural differences ? No, more likely age difference...adults can be so paranoic at times !
No, more like experience difference and talking about a topic you truly know about without wanting to sound cool by making stupid statements!

I could have been you a while ago: all mothers should relax, what is all the stress? yadda yadda ya... wait and see when you get there and it will hit you hard in the face and wham you sideways!

Of course when you are younger you do not see dangers that older more mature people see... it is called growing up!

NO one does not feed children, one asks the parent. There is million reasons for this-this is one of the few simple worldwide rules and pretty much all mommies know this instinctively. This woman for sure had good intentions but her actions were misplaced, there is really not much more to it and it is not a matter of opinion.

I will not even get to your incredibly stupid comments about "It was a mom and not a homeless guy"... do you think all psychos out there are looking like psychos or do they instead look like your average Jane/Joe and that is why they get away with so much....

Jeyz... get a BRAIN....
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Sorry, never heard of being allergic to french fries or a hamburger !
My son is...he has coeliac disease and has to eat 100% gluten free. That means no WHEAT, and french fries are often dusted in wheat flour to stop them from sticking together, or crumbed/breaded foods are fried in the same oil...

Coeliac disease is not 'acutely life threatening' but he also has type 1 diabetes - if he eats gluten and has a reaction, the food is not digested properly and his blood sugars will be affected...and that IS life-threatening

And from the 'outside' he looks 'perfectly healthy and normal'...
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I just could not stop myself posting this and give my support to all mothers who really care about what their kids are eating: an healthy snack takes two minutes to prepare! (give them apples, pears, grapes, nuts, crackers, bread, cheese,whatever... the list does not end...)!!! Mama mia!!! Why fries??? There must be a better excuse...but lack of time!!!2 minutes it takes!

Please read about what Karen Hanrahan did to show how bad an hamburger can be!!!!

1996 McDonalds Hamburger


«I teach a workshop titled Healthy Choices for Children. It's a class for parents seeking solutions to how to improve the way they eat. It's about the alternative food market, organics, and the top ten food additives to avoid and why, menu planning and more. It's a 3 session fabulously informative interactive class.

Below is my absolutely favorite prop.

People are always astounded when I share this.

I have used this as show and tell for a very long time.




This is a hamburger from McDonalds that I purchased in 1996.

That was 12 years ago.

Note that it looks exactly like it did the very day I bought it.

The flecks on the burger are crumbs from the bun.

The burger is starting to crumble a bit.

It has the oddest smell.

The paper and bag in the backround is circa 2008 - to add decor to the photo. My friend Robyn's idea.




This is the retro welch's grape juice plastic container I have always kept it in. People always ask me - what did you do to preserve it ?

Nothing - it preserved itself.

Ladies, Gentleman, and children alike - this is a chemical food. There is absolutely no nutrition here.

Not one ounce of food value. Or at least value for why we are eating in the first place.




The burger on the right, off the paper is a 2008 burger. I had to buy it to get the groovy paper and bag.

The meat is a tad darker, the bun a little less golden but in 12 years it will look exactly like that too.

Do you find this horrifying?

McDonalds fills an empty space in your belly. It does nothing to nourish the cell, it is not a nutritious food.

It is not a treat.

I marvel at how McDonalds has infiltrated our entire world. A hamburger here tastes exactly the same in China or some around the world place.

It's cloned.

Makes you wonder doesn't it?

Do me a favor and share this.

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You mentioned crackers as something that would be a healthy snack for children. What do 12-year-old saltines look like? Like fresh ones.

What do 12-year-old sunflower seeds look like? Like fresh ones.

This doesn't make them "chemical", it just makes them nonperishable. Grains (and by extension, hamburger buns) are like that.

(I agree the meat patty is a bit offputting though... like to see mold or something growing on it at least! )
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A hamburger here tastes exactly the same in China or some around the world place.
Which is exactly why McDonalds is a good thing.

I still think it's bad manners to give food to somebody else's child without permission, though.
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