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Have you tried breastmilk? It is extreemly sweet. Thus, I think it is a myth that kids don't crave sugar if they never have gotten sugar in their foods.
It's true, I saw a documentary about how humans have evolved and apparently a sweet taste is the only taste which doesn't need to be acquired. We are naturally pre-programmed to favour sweet stuff.
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You give your child no salt at all? I'm pretty sure the right amount of Salt is essential for a healthy diet. I think 1g per day is recommended upto 1 year.
She does get some food with salt, but I don't give her salt with food!
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

Thanks for the tips- I think I am going to the wrong Migros, perhaps this is the restaurant and not the lunch counter? I will look harder next time I am there! Any other ideas?

I have seen some of the bakeries have sandwiches with wholemeal bread too-- but tough for kid hands to manage.

I wish Bretzelkonig would come up with a nice wholemeal pretzel- that with a bit of cheese and some veggies, that my kids would eat!

Agreed every once in a while is fine, ideally help them make good choices, but kids are kids, and sometimes it is hard to get our idea of a healthy meal in them- just wondering if there was something out there I am missing!
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

The chain of gyms I worked for in Scotland all had junk food in the cafeteria's and crap in the vending machines because that is what people wanted to buy. They tried to change to healthy options but they got too many complaints and too much wasted food so the junk went back on the menu.

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I remember the gym back in Scotland had a McDonalds right outside it and vending machines filled with chocolates and soft drinks. If everyone was healthy how would they make their money eh?
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She does get some food with salt, but I don't give her salt with food!
Adding extra salt to food is something I hate. My Grandmother does it without even tasting the food first!

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The chain of gyms I worked for in Scotland all had junk food in the cafeteria's and crap in the vending machines because that is what people wanted to buy. They tried to change to healthy options but they got too many complaints and too much wasted food so the junk went back on the menu.

That's hilarious. I guess they go to the gym just to feel good?

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Adding extra salt to food is something I hate. My Grandmother does it without even tasting the food first!
I do not know where you are from but for a south american that is hard NOT to do I do use some salt in my cooking but not too much, for the rest of my family I need to put more salt, the day they stop complaining is the day I will start worrying

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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

And by the way, MC d. has a few good things like Apple pie and Grilled chicken salad.
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That's hilarious. I guess they go to the gym just to feel good?

Maybe they go to the gym because they enjoy eating such things.

Besides which, as long as they are working it off, isn't it ok (in moderation)?




So far as the topic of OP though... I agree that toddlers having junk food on a regular basis is bad.

Not having any ever though is a bit much... particularly if you are advocating what someone else is giving to their child. After all, you do not know the background of the situation, perhaps the child is particularly finicky and they were actually advised to try such things in effort to widen the child's palate.
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Have you tried breastmilk?
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It is extreemly sweet. ?
I can't remember that far back!
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

it's really hard to keep sugar away from kids, especially when they see others eating sugary snacks. but i always tend to the the processed food and sugars can really become a vice for kids and adults.

as a parent it is obvious to see what effect large amounts of sugar have on our kids when they go to birthday parties and scarf down all that sweet stuff and their behavior afterwards. it can be a real nightmare, and once your child is used to eating sweet things or greasy things it is very hard to get them to then eat something healthy.

some tricks i've found is to use small amounts of honey ( not for babies, though, there can be problems and it's not recommended for little ones) but i also throw some agave syrup in my boys oatmeal. oatmeal or bland things are no fun to eat plain! also, i've found that adding black pepper to some foods gives it a good taste and my son doesn't need added salt when pepper is added. of course a little sweet here and there is ok. but i try to teach my little one that stuff like that is for parties and special occasions. but there are also certain things he will almost never have- mcdonalds and coca cola is definitely a good example of that. there is no reason to eat these things and if a parent is looking for a convenient snack food- well there is nothing more convenient that a banana or an apple!
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

What a load of rubbish written here. Does anyone actually have a nutrition or dietetics background or is all this out of a "parent knows best" book?

I'm going to focus on "fast" food rather than "junk" food. Companies like MacD's have cleaned up their act and actually serve food that is fit for child consumption as part of a varied diet.

Instead of getting on a high horse, why not teach your children to enjoy a varied diet including things you don't like. What is so wrong about feeding children fast food anyway?

One poster even suggested that fast food would hamper your child's development. What a load of drivel!
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

Keep in mind, it's when we go out that we treat ourselves... it's the same with children too (at least chez moi).

The McDonalds you saw/see my girl eating happens to be maybe a once every 6 month occurrence.
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Yes both sugar and fat are important for taste! Anyways a good idea could be to replace white sugar and flour for brown sugar and whole flour, it will also add some more nice texture to the preparation. I also add wholewheat and try to eat things with no added sugar at least...
They're also cheap ingredients along with salt.

Processed foods use great quantities of sugar, fat and salt to provide taste to foods that are actually sparse in real favour due to sub-standard ingredients or unnatural ingredients replacing good quality ingredients.

I go along with what Tilia and Lou said and make things from scratch.
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

I think a burger and fries every now and then do no harm. What I can't understand is that people give their toddles coke to drink. I have seen quite a few toddlers in baby carts drinking coke here in Switzerland.
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One poster even suggested that fast food would hamper your child's development. What a load of drivel!
You must be referring to me

I meant it in the "junky fast food" tense. The 1000calorie Big King XXL might be a bit too much for most of us, but it's true that in some countries, fry oil has been changed to a less harmful one, and one can always drink water at McDo rather than a 75cl coke.

But many "fast food" shops do not make food which is dietically sound. Constant indulgence of these foods will not result in proper growth and development of ones mind and body. This is a fact. Ultimately, variety is king.
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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

If you actually are reading the same thread as us you will see that most of us are advocating a varied diet where treats and even the odd McD's is not forbidden is the best approach.


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What a load of rubbish written here. Does anyone actually have a nutrition or dietetics background or is all this out of a "parent knows best" book?

I'm going to focus on "fast" food rather than "junk" food. Companies like MacD's have cleaned up their act and actually serve food that is fit for child consumption as part of a varied diet.

Instead of getting on a high horse, why not teach your children to enjoy a varied diet including things you don't like. What is so wrong about feeding children fast food anyway?

One poster even suggested that fast food would hamper your child's development. What a load of drivel!
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Hi Hi Shinigami

I probably was, no insult intended, it's just that I've got an MSc in nutrition, and the generalisations on this post and the "initial houlier than thou" post make my blood boil, as they usually generalise and oversimplify to the extent that it is no longer helpful.

I've calmed down a bit now...

As ever, when it comes to food "all in moderation" is my mantra. Which I see others have also posted.

The flip side to "oil is bad" is in hot countries (India, Asia etc), where you are recommended never to eat raw food, but preferably something that has been freshly cooked in hot oil so that all the bugs are dead.

The reason salt, sugar and fats make food taste good is that our bodies crave them as they are all essential for survival and simply put, not so long ago, those who could put on the pounds faster lived longer. Remember that it is really only in the past 150 years that we've been lucky enough to know where our next meal is coming from. How many years of evolution were there before that?

What is often missed is the simple fact that food is only one part of a complex equation that should not be taken in isolation. You have to take into account life style, exercise, age, sex, social status etc.

Which brings me to the other argument I see in this thread: the whole "feed them natural things" only (whatever natural means). For every child brought up this way that ends up "normal" (again, whatever that means), you'll find another that has some food fix in adulthood (i.e. hooked on fast food/sweets etc.) and vice versa probaly with children brought up on junk food diet. This is the same with whatever parenting fad is going on at the time, there is a whole variety of life between right and wrong and to simply start off by saying that all fast food is bad just strikes me as moronic.

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You give your child no salt at all? I'm pretty sure the right amount of Salt is essential for a healthy diet. I think 1g per day is recommended upto 1 year.
Actually nowadayw you should not use ANY salt up to 12 months and then just a little... this is what the Swiss Pediatrics organization reccommends.

I must say we are very flexible in this regard and really go with the flow with our 14 months old... if she wants a cookie she can have one provided she has eaten already...

We always have fruits available (she loves bananas=>full of sugar) and also natural yogurt with just some fruits and she has chocolate (a tiny piece) once a day with her advent calendar. She also sometimes has salami, pizza or fries or whatever else we are eating. Of course all in moderation but if we are having our indulge moment, we let her indulge with us and if we are at a party, she will have whatever is there be it a sugar cake or a carrot stick.

The result is she loves vegetables, she eats plenty that we would not even dream of cooking (cauliflower ) and she is not a fussy eater but rather likes a good dish of what is coming her way. She eats "healtily" for 90% of her meals and the rest we see what is there...

I really believe we need to stop the paranoia... children have needs that are different than adults, especially with amount of fat intake, as it is important for their brain development.

So no, I would not feed my child McDonald as a snack, BUT if I am out and feel like a McDonal meal (2 times a year) then I am happy for her to join me!

Industrial food and McDonal can be a cause of obesity but not moving and driving everywhere is just as contributing. We do not have a car and walk everywhere/use public transport, with her too and I believe this is just as important.

I would also be angry if someone offered ANY food to my child without asking BUT I would also be angry if someone looked at me bad for giving my child a sweet In the end it is a parents choice and one cannot know how often it happens etc unless one is with the said family all the time. I also do not want to be looked at badly because I am doing this in a context with other children around...

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I know, I just let my rage cloud out the advocates! See my later, calmer post...

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Re: Toddlers and Junk Food

I think children take the eating habits from parents. But they do need their ice creams and chocolates once in a while. One can always replace candy with nuts..Home made carrot cake or banana bread is not too bad either...but dont deny things altogether..
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